Well, you obviously don't know anything about China, you see one thing and then generalise it as if it's the norm and your examples simply don't make sense, simplified chinese is like riting lke diz?
Plus change your name to John or some other name. Unless you want what you wrote to refer to you too; "Chinese people".

In Liao's defence GB he doesn't have to change his name to John, to prove that he's non-Chinese or Canadian or whatever bigoted, idea you have about being "Chinese."

While most of the top ten list can be a generalization, it's not any difference than Jan Wong's top ten list which SURPRISE takes "one thing" and then generalizes.... I'll be posting my own little critique of it on my own blog.

Ron "I'm Chinese-Indonesian-Canadian if you're wondering" Nurwisah

I have to agree with the first 7 of the authors bad points of china, thos are quite bad and during my recent trip in to china some have gotten quite worse over the years, and some better. cleanliness is quite a problem in most areas i agree unless u can afford the more expensive restaurants in china.

As for the last three notes of bad things in china, i must say that those are very biased opinions, not facts. please get that straight. they just make u sound like a narrow minded git.

if u dont like chinese food, dont go there in the first place, you obviously love european architecture more and what dirty old men do with hot young things is thier business, if u want a worse country with dirty old( i mean really old) men with really young girls go to japan. china isnt so bad.

but here are some other bad things about china which i learned on my trip.

during my trip to hang zhou ( satalite city of shanghai). my friend and i dined in a nice 4 star restaurant. good service, very clean. cept the washroom had holes in the ground.(bewarey you adventurous travellers: learn to use the old hole in the ground).

Well, the whole list is more or less biased. It's all in fun. I mean, I know there are people who aren't bothered by the simplified writing, for example.

I want to clarify two points, however. When I say architecture in China is horrible, I meant modern architecture. The old stuff are great, somewhere along the way the Chinese forgot how to design. Most likely it's the clients aren't sophisticated enough to demand a well-designed building. I know there are a bunch of great Chinese architects out there.

Also, Chinese food is a wonderful cuisine. The mainland Chinese people, ironically, don't know how to make it properly most of the time. Sure you can get a well cooked meal here and there, but it's few and far in between.

i have to agree completely with u, china is a sad place, and its sad for me to claim that i have chinese ancestry yet feel ashamed of the current chinese population.

did i ever mention the rich are getting filthy rich, while the poor stay poorer, yes this occurs in many other places, but the chinese love their money (more than any other culture i know of), yet they lack compasion for other people (one of the most rude and selfish cultures in the world). sadly none of the great confucious teachings exist in china today, yet it originated from china...

Wow, sounds like you liked Korea A LOT more than China--or is it a historical/Taiwanese thing? Anyhoo, now that you know my Yeouido secrets you can go back there every year too.

JB

I myself never been to china but i always imagined it to be the "unclean, rude" place you described. I have lived in South Korea for three years as a toddler. I dont remeber much but the couple memories i do have are all pleasant. One of them being is how great the food was there. China should really take a tip from their neighboring countries to the south. (Japan, S. Korea)

I think you missed one great point on how china sucks though. They're communist. In theory communism makes sense but it has been tried and failed many times.

P.S. GB has no idea what he is talking about and made no sense in his comment.

Great article. china is a horrendously disgusting country, and don't even get me started on their hygiene. They put so many chemicals in their food, like (like enjecting dyes into their oranges to make them more orange). They even eat dogs! (apparantly, black dogs are the best). Anyway, like the author said, there are thousands of reasons why china sucks. Go here: http://chinese-poems.com/ck/

Chinese people are stubborn and paranoid. The only reason their economy's improving is because of foreigners from US, Japan and Taiwan. Not to mention the billions of dollars in aid Japan has given China over the past 20 years, and yet they still get pissed off at every single thing they do. And for God's sake leave Taiwan alone, independence activists aren't what is threatening stability, (even though they're already independent, china's just to stubborn and retarded to notice) the sword rattling of those chinks are. If you're smart, boycott china.

not a single chink went to the Pope's funeral because Taiwan's president went. How childish and is that?

Brovo! Agreed 100%! Now at least SOME people see the real China.

Chinese citizens aren't bad (like 'muhahaha....I'm going to take over the world'), it's the Chinese government (wait, excuse me. Not government....dictatorship!). And all other countries don't mess with China, because it's so darn big and "powerful".

Leave Taiwan ALONE. For god's sake, Taiwan was better off with Japan than China! (Not that that's what I want) Which is the sad truth about my (Taiwanese) culture. Taiwan has never actually felt apart of a country until Japan came along. The Japanese came to Taiwan and brought along their wonderful technology with them. But the Chinese did no such things. They treated Taiwan like a colony, not country, colony; a bit like Great Britain and the 13 colonies.

Now, I know perfectly well that all Taiwanese are genetically Chinese (as am myself). But that's genetically; times have changed; reality comes before anything else.

I wrote this post because there has been a lot of misinformation in the Western press about China, written by people who have either never been to China or just saw the glitzy parts of Shanghai and Beijing while living in a 5-star hotel and probably being "serviced" by a masseuse. Is it any wonder that they are giddy with excitment? I just wanted to point out some realities of China to counter-balance the rosey picture that most seem to want to paint.

Your comments are absolutely accurate. I have traveled to China 6 times in the past 15 months for business, including Beijing, Shanghai, Fuzhou, Xiamen, and Guangzhou. I laughed my ass off at each number because you hit them dead on. NICE LIST!

YES, thats absolute collect.
btw, i hate china.
I hate how they perform "anti-japan" they claim japan's histroy textbook, but what japan's brand like sony,panasonic etc got to do with the war?
and chinese text book doesnt have at all about what china did to build up "china" and killed millions.

and I can be sure that japanese histry books DOES include everything, it does say what japan did and what other campanie did.

AND japan has approgied china and other countries 17 times before. but china government NEVER tells chinese citizenz that they approgied for that much.

I've been to China..is not really that bad..though...I dont just know why you hate china so much...jealous because of economic growth is way better then other countries..

Japanese testbook does not included everything sucker.
You people are so stupid, you think u r do damn smart...shut the hell up.

Chinese people are nice...give them a break. They are stil a developing country

US a lot of pollution too.
US government sucks
Japan is the dog of US.

^ lol.

u r really a bit-y-ch u dont no any thing about chinese!

^ Please see list item #7

I think China deserves more sympathy than criticisms for these reasons.


1. The Cultural Revolution was a 40-year-long setback. Putting it in perspective, that's one-fifth of America's history. During those 40 years, not only the country had completely ceased to progress, it had sabotaged and desecrated some of China's most valued traditions (teachings of Confucianism, traditional Chinese writing, etc.).

2. Communism is actually helping China. Do realize that the Chinese government has the obligation to lead 1.3 billion people to the forefront of international prominance, and since they are mostly uneducated farmers, how could faulty public opinions possibly lead the country down the right path at this moment in time? Plus, what is democracy anyway? I certainly don't see it in America. Over half of the Americans opposed war yet the Bush Administration disregarded what its people think. If that's not dictatorship then I don't know what is.

3. Why the hell should China attend the Pope's funeral? The nation is not even Catholic, and neither is Taiwan nor Fidel Castro. There is no reason for China to be part of this congregation of hypocrites, it's those non-Catholic states that deserve to be criticized.

I am not overly sure about #8 and #10, but this list is dead on accurate for all the other things, especially on #3, 4, and 9. The introduction of simplified writings completely degrades the beauty of chinese writing, it was a purely retarded decision.

Simliar situation happens to buildings, I have absolutely no idea what the hell is wrong with their modern building design, especially with those damn balls on top of those shanghai buildings.

You posted this because of "misinformation" about China? What misinformation would that be? That it isnt American?

I believe a persons experience in Asia or anywhere else is directly related to how big a chip on their shoulder they have, how important they think they - IE I am AMERICAN, bow down before me - and how close minded and anal they are. People also treat you the way you treat them and deserve to be treated -

My experience is that the Chinese people, from the NE to Shanghai are gracious, and kind, helpful, friendly and wonderfully hospitable.

The service in any restaurant I have been in is excellent! Americans could learn from the service the Chinese provide, and so could Canadians, and Europeans.

Good restaurants are clean - the food is delicious - the freshest, best veggies you could find anywhere, and so are other dishes. Sea food is still swimming in tanks when you order it. If you want a greasy hamburger or hot dog dont come to Asia. If you want good fresh food, excellent baking goods, great wine, wonderful produce - come to Asia.

As for noise and offensive people have you been to NY lately or any other big city in NA or do you live on a farm in the rockies somewhere?

The government and police are NOT dictatorial and over bearing - and learn this: "communism" is NOT a bad word. Its an exciting time to be in China and see the new communism emerge with capitalism and human rights -

Of course there is pollution, its been compared to pollution in NY and LA - Vancouver BC Canada has a brown cloud hanging over it too - duh. The government is working hard at getting pollution under control. Unfortunately the weather patterns here also add to the problem, providing inadequate venting. China needs natural gas - which is part of the issue with Japan right now.

Heres a thought for you, if you dont like China or Asia stay out of it -

I know this email is totally disorganized but bare with me.

I wish the whole wolrd would stop romanticizing China and making it seem like such a remarkable. That list is biased but mostly dead on accurate. I have live in China for a year. Yes I hate it. Yes I wish I wasn't here but since most companies are "selling out" here in China, some of use have to face the reality of living and working in China. I have traveled to about 60 countries in my life and all 7 continents and I have never met more rude, loud, greedy, stupid, arrogant people than I have in China. The food sux balls. Sure you can luck out in a few places but it mostly sux. And its so funny because the Chinese think there food is so great. The pollution is horrible anywhere you go. 5% of tap water is drinkable. Rivers, lakes and canals are so massively polluted that I think u may die if u jumped in from all the bacteria. Also, they are so difficult to work with. They are lazy and will not do anything that is too difficult. Being an engineer here is so frusturating because they are so unskilled at evreything they do. Chinese chicks are disguisting. I hooked up with several chicks and while they were giving me a BJ, they all kept spitting during the process so it made me limp everytime. Also, they don't really clean down there if u know what I mean. One thing you didn't mention on your list was driving. They don't follow any rules and it is so unsafe. I think their greed will catch up to them and destroy China eventually. The rich are getting pretty damn rich and the poor stay dirt ass poor. Real Estate is rising so fast in Suzhou where I live that I can barely afford a place. I make about 50 times the $$$ that the chinese make. The Chinese Engineers make about 3000RMB per month. That's about 365USD. My rent in Suzhou is 4 times that. I really kinda feel sorry for them because they don't know any better. They all feel that their "blind obedience" to their government or company will pay dividends so maybe they will get promoted or get a 10RMB raise. They have no sense or worth because their greed blinds them. They always fail to see the big picture. If Chinese workers were smart, they would start forming unions. I know unions suck and they nearly ruined America byut these people have no rights. They get paid crap and have to work their asses off for many extra hours with no overtime. For their sake, they should rally together and start standing up for their rights...oh wait they already did that. Remember Tienemin Square?? Its also funny how much they hate the Japanese. The government sponsored protests last month were quite amusing. China claims it didn't encourage protesting but there were signs up all over Shanghai to direct people to the protests. China would not exist like it does w/out Japan. The Japs invest billions of dollars in China yearly. It would be funny if they pulled out. Have I covered everything? China is slowly taking over the world. I just wish that they had a nicer culture and people. Why can't a country like Thailand take over the world where the people are so lovely and nice and the chicks are beautiful and have manners. Or why can't Brazil take over the world..then the world would be one big party!!! You may think I am biased or a biggot. I am not. I love all people...except the Chinese. Somebody else take over, I'm getting tired of writing........

China is the best place in the world. Period. I am chinese and having been living in various countries across the globe for prolonged amounts of time, I can conclude it is the only place I can see myself living a full, exciting fulfilled life in. I agree some parts of china however are crap. I.e. shanghai where people are just stuck up and plain rude or hong kong where they are just stuck up and obsessed with money and other material tacky junk.

Ps. Dirty Deuce, are you sure your 'lovely thai chicks' are chicks? I say no more.

I agree with the deliciously named Amanda above me. If only my name had such a ring to it. God I envy her!

Anyway,

I am half Chinese thus I agree some parts are bad and some parts are good (mixing up these genes gives one a bit more persepctive). However I take offence at the bad-food comments; anyone who says the food is bad is either:

a) Some honkey who's never eaten more than his mother's (or is she they're sister?) chow-mein.

b) Some Taiwanese nationalist hell-bent on portraying China as the new Japan.

As for non-believers in regards to the economy: open your eyes! China is destined not to be the global superpower Cletus and Troy dream about in their barns whilst indulging in bit of animal love, but the economic powerhouse that will diove the global economy.

Good Day!

Being from Taiwan, can't say I am a fan of the Chinese.

Microsoft's new Chinese internet portal has banned the words "democracy" and "freedom" from parts of its website in an apparent effort to avoid offending Beijing's political censors.

The truth is more damaging than anything i could add to this thread

China people need to overthrough their government if they know whats good for them. Stop living like crap because your government makes you!

u assholes don't know a shit about China, u are all childish shits. CHina gonna rule the world one day, and ur children will be Chinese too...

hahahah, FUCK THose who generalize ...

btw, Hong Kong and taiwan both are belong to China.............and Japan never aid China....
if u know nothing, just shut the fuck up

Define horrendous Mandarin. Is it horrendous because of the accent, or the grammar? & how can you say “most Chinese people aren’t well educated”? Do you have updated statistical evidence to back up your statement?

There are many complicated strokes in traditional Mandarin & in those days where computers weren’t the norm, it was useful to people who had to write essays, don’t you think?

When I hang out with my China friends, they always wait in line. You can’t stereotype like that! & it’s not everywhere in China that is polluted! Just the major areas! Consider major cities like Bangkok & Sydney too. Aren’t they polluted too?

Chinese people don't love to yell. I've both chatty & soft-spoken friends from China, & I live in a cosmopolitan city where they're lots of people from China. I've never heard them yell before.

You make me feel ashamed that a person like you can exist.

You fucking dont know shit. Just becasue you are not accustomed to the chinese culture doesnt give you a right to talk smack about other countries. Also I pretty much say what you said about americans. Just because you were raised in a family that didnt teach you better, you should not sterotype other people. Moslty everything you said is false and you are just a fucking dumbass.O yea chinks for life

When I first came to China, it was 1979. I saw China when it was poor. I taught for two years in Shanghai and learned a lot about the people and culture.

I returned to China ten years ago and have been living here ever since. During these last ten years, China has made great changes. However, the changes that I noticed the most were the behavior and attitude of the people.

At first, I used to think that many of the obnoxious behavior and attitudes that I came in contact with were part of Chinese culture.

As I learned more about Chinese culture and history prior to 1949, I came to realize that Chinese culture and PRC "culture" are not the same. The Chinese people had a culture and social life before 1949 that the world admired and respected.

However, after 1949, the PRC established a social order heavy with brainwashing, propaganda, censorship, and class hatred. For thirty years the Chinese people had their common decency, fairness, politeness, kindness, and humanity suppressed.

In addition, the PRC government elevated the most backward, uneducated, and conservative section of society, the peasants, to an elevated position of rule. Their customs, manners (as in none), and attitudes were allow to dominate the society.

What Westerners see in China today are the results of thirty years of the lowest section of society controling the economy, politics, and culture.

It is no wonder people say "China sucks." It is the backward habits of a peasant class combined with the rule of a communist party that temporarily destroyed traditional Chinese culture.

The Chinese people will eventually restore their natural culture and traditions. The Taiwan, Hong Kong, and overseas Chinese are the key force in building a new China. This new China will have none of the peasant/communist party influence.

I would encourage Westerners, especially Americans, to view the Chinese situation in China as if dumb blacks and poor white trash allied with the extreme left of the Democratic Party ruled the US for the last fifty years.

Imagine the chaos, stupidity, and destruction that would exist. The only music that would be allowed would be rap and country-western. The education system would be totally destroyed. The economy would decline to Third World levels.

I exaggerate a bit but if what happened to China happened to the US, the US would look like Russia or East Palo Alto.

The Sui Dynasty was a very cruel dynasty very much like the PRC. The Chinese people suffered greatly. However, it lasted last than thirty years and was then followed by the Tang Dynasty - the greatest of China's Dynasty.

The PRC will also have a short history. After this nightmare, the Chinese will build a new "Tang Dynasty."

China does not suck. The PRC and its effects on the Chinese people suck.

Yes China sucks, and it's not really the peasnats' fault, rather their lack of education and loss of traditional way of life under communism. It is much easier to control a dumb populace than an educated one, and much cheaper too. BTW, Taiwan is not a part of China and has not been since the Chinese Qing dynasty ceded it to Japan by Treaty in 1893. After the japanese left in 1945, it was not given back to China, but left in limbo. When the KMT fled to Taiwan in 1949 because of the civil war, the KMT treated it as part of China, but the PRC (communist china under mao etc) has never had any kind of jurisdiction over Taiwan, they're just pissed off with the KMT. Or don't they teach that in Chinese history books anymore?

After the japanese left in 1945, TaiWan was not given back to China, but left in limbo???
You mean KMT left TaiWan in limbo? For what?
Maybe KMT thought defeated Japan might
come back to reclaim its loot? Or maybe KMT
was too afraid of independence activists like
you? The truth is that after 1945, KMT made
Taiwan a province of China again.

Taiwan is it's own sovereign state. It's got america backing it up. I hope china tries to do something to it so they get their ass fucking rocked back to the qing dynasty.

WHY CHINA SUCKS???
I'll tell you why: the fucking baboons in this country only speak one language: mandarin. (Except for the minorities) I know many chinese who went to Northern Europe and didn't know a word of the country's language where they went to, yet they could manage by themselves and ask anything to anyone anywhere in any city of the country they were in! How??? Well, in places like Northern Europe everybody can speak English to an understandable level next to their own language. Try to speak English in China and the people there just have no idea what you are saying.(Despite the fact that most of the Chinese already start with learning English in primary school!!!)
This is a country with fucked-up blackheared baboons, and trust me: this country doesn't deserve all the praise it gets...

I agree with the recent poster, that it's the communist party that eroded the chinese culture. Of course, communism was pretty much to only form of government, for which China would emerge as a stable and progressive nation. This, however, is another topic altogether.

The good thing, is that, I have worked with academics from mainland China (both faculty and students) for the last ten years, and I do observe a positive change in attitude and work ethnic.

When I started (that's in the mid 90s), they were just about the worst type of people to work with. They are demanding, and yet, for the lack of better terms, incompotent. Even being in a foreign country for years, they still had immense trouble communicating. My (non mainland) colleagues and I had a very tough time dealing with them. There were even numerous instances of unethical (the-end-justifies-the-means) behaviour. They were so unhygenic, even the janitors refused to clean up their offices after hours.

In recent times, the new Chinese academic are much more well spoken (they may be shy, but they can express themselves with ease), and are much more pleasant. Not to mention, they are mroe passionate about themselves, and their new environment. This is what gives me hope, that China will become great once more.

BW.

weeeeellll, i think that all people have their own opinions, and if he thinks "china suks" then that what he thinks ^^ well i personally dont think china suks but yeh, if that whole lot made sense

Some parts and people are amazing. Most things are very disappointing on a world level. Racism runs riot amongst many, manners are few and far between and modern crafstmanship leaves a lot to be desired. Hopefully, as many people learn that foreigners are smart enough to learn Chinese to, they'll stop staring or passing comment like you're on another planet. I'd have to agree with one of the previous comments that China is developing far faster than the people. The divide will grow. Pathetic excuse for a government, blinder of people.

Man these threads are funny, I love the way people say china will rule the world etc, then the next one just slates food and blah blah blah. Blind patriotism rules. China has many things that are fucked up but not crackheads killing babies or drive-by's. ( yes, the US ). Every country has it's problems, people just get enraged because the brain-washing in China means that the Chinese can't see all the problems that their beloved country has. Sheep. I live here and have done for years and it pisses me off too. You will never win an argument with a chinese person if it is about 'how shit your country is'.

If China does rule the world one day, those days will be numbered, but not in a queue! Unliiimited poooooweeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!

China blows ass. It also has a huge drug and aids problem that the commie government keeps hush hush. Wheres religious freedom... oh right they're not any. Not to metion threatening to nuke the US over Taiwan. Good luck with that if you nuke the US, china and their butt buddy russia will be vaporized in under an hour. Cheers.

10 reasons why China sucks?

I agree with the original thread above

right on

I just wish no one will ever mix up mainland Chinese with Hong Kong people anymore.
I found foreigners, especially people from Europe are very ignorance (no bias here, just the fact through my observation), and they think all black hair people are from China.
To be very honest, Hong Kong people generally hate mainland Chinese because they creat so many problems to Hong Kong.
For those in Hong Kong who said they love China are very left winged people.

Why mainland Chinese are being hate by Hong Konger?
1. They are rude and speak loud.
2. They import poison food to Hong Kong;
3. China is a big market for exporting postitudes; their morale standard is low
4. Mainland women try their very best to find (or steal )a Hong Kong husband, they create a lot of social problem
5. Mainland women come to Hong Kong, using Hong Kong;s hospital facilities to give birth to their babies, then simply go away WITHOUT PAYING MONEY. They love to do that because they want their kids to be a Hong Kong citizen, and in the future, when their child turn 18, he/she can apply their parents to live in Hong Kong.
6. They cheat in business, they are never honest. Actually, some people even said "Everything in China are fake, except tricksters are real."
7. Mainland Chinese come to Hong Kong and behave in a nasty way and make tourists from other countries think Hong Kong people are the same; they throw rubbish everywhere;
8. There are fake monks and beggars group come to Hong Kong to beg for money, however, Hong Kong do not have beggars for many years, and all monks and nuns will never beg for money on the street. The buddist organisation in Hong Kong already claimed many times that these people are not belong to their group.

My apology that, I have mistyped the first point I menionted earlier, it should be:

1. It should be China 'EXPORT' many poisoned food to Hong Kong.

Besides, I hate mainland Chinese's attitude that when they are in any part of the world, they expect others will understand their 'Mandarin'. Why don't they learn how to respect themselves, who do they think they are?

And one more thing I want to add, it is because they, mainland Chinese, go to other countries, hiding and working as black labours, they already create a bad enough impression to the whole world. And since westerners generally cannot distinguish between Chinese mainlanders and other black haired Asian people, therefore, all others, including people from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, Thailand, Japan...etc are being treated as mainland Chinese, being discriminate in a western country, too. Really thanks for Chinese mainlanders' contribution.

Having lived in Asia for many years, it is clear that China is now the biggest threat to world peace, stability, and respect for others' cultures and independence. In the last few decades it has fought wars with many of it's neighbors. Despite years of billions in aid from Japan it plays the 'you never apologized' card, while it stockpiles nukes, missiles and flexes its muscles. It swallowed Tibet and is committing cultural genocide. Taiwan is next on its list if it gets the chance. Internally, it bullies its own people under iron rule. Remembering 100 years of shame, the cultural traditiona of 'revenge' is rearing its ugly head. What shall we expect as it turns its attentions to the rest of Asia?

I think you should be more positive with China,if you think it's OK to do this kind thing on the Internet,well then your screwed up in the head!!

I think,you must give China a chance,if you think like this,shut up!

I mostly think that China is beautiful,the food is exellent,maybe it's dirty,but that's the peoples fault,they maybe weird,but they are not bad people,if you lok more deep inside of them,there not bad,there actually friendly!

The thing's i don't like about China,is that they go down to Hong Kong to have a good impression,and then they litter that makes Hong Kong people sad!Then they talk their stupid Mandarin,thinking their cool,but there not.

One thing for Mainland Chinese people,"if your going to Hong Kong,think of that your going to have to learn manners and respect,if your going to live,or do buisness there,or even if your a tourist!"Oh yeah,don't plan to illegaly get there,because your not!

Totally understand Hong Kong peoples' frustration of being treated as mainland Chinese.
I realized Hong Kong people actually look and dress differently from mainaland Chinese.

It is very unfair to Hong Kong people that, they are being treated as illegal immigrants from China, being challenged by the customs of the whole world. However, Hong Kong people suffer the most from mainland Chinese. It is unfair that, they are also victims like the rest of the whole world, even suffer more, but they are being treated by the world as mainland Chinese.

I hope customs department of the whole world be smart, understand the difference of visitors who are holding a HKSAR passport and China passport.

Please note that, although the HKSAR (Hong Kong Special Administrative Region) passport looks very 'China', and the nationality of Hong Kongers are 'Chinese' but their birthplace is Hong Kong, please treat them nicer. Also, some Hong Kong people still hole a BNO (British National Overseas) passport. This is NOT A FAKE passport, it is the passport issued by the British government to Hong Konger when Hong Kong was a colony.

Also, I realized some mainland Chinese people told westerners that they are from 'Hong Kong'. This is also very unfair to Hong Kong people. Hong Kong people do not behave like them.

To all westerners, don't think Hong Kong people eat everything with 4 legs like the mainland Chinese. Hong Kong people are very disgusted with their behaviours, too.

China is trying to threat the US with atomic bomcs.
Reason why China invented atomic bomb is because Chineses want to revenge against all Western countries.
They want to nuke America, Europe and Japan.

The US should watch out for such Chinese barbaric future actions.

Chineses are explicitly greedy thieves.

Look at the way Chineses plunder and steal Tibetan territories. Also look at how Chineses opress Tibetans and depriving Tibetans' human right.

That unpleasant country should not have hosted Olympics.

Communist countries are usually ridiculous country

You know what just look at this
http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/
plase look at thi site than you will know why china really sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you be talking about shit!!!!!!!1 just look that is not right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why people wont do anything about that!!!!!!!!!

before TIBET SHOULD BE FREED

china is a shithole. i was in guandong (for only a day, thank god) in 98, horribly polluted cesspool of a city, people where rude, and just looking at what passed for "food" in some of the roadside stands made me wanna puke......i think all western countries and japan should cut all relations and transactions with china,and suspend all business dealings with them also, then maybe it might think about freeing tibet and quit fucking with taiwan and japan........if the chinese want to keep their economy buzzing, they will have to do as we say.

now on to a post that really irked me....

"I believe a persons experience in Asia or anywhere else is directly related to how big a chip on their shoulder they have, how important they think they - IE I am AMERICAN, bow down before me - and how close minded and anal they are. People also treat you the way you treat them and deserve to be treated -"

way to make generalizations, asshole. at least mine werent unsubstantiated.

"My experience is that the Chinese people, from the NE to Shanghai are gracious, and kind, helpful, friendly and wonderfully hospitable."

eh, no.

"The service in any restaurant I have been in is excellent! Americans could learn from the service the Chinese provide, and so could Canadians, and Europeans."

oh, you mean work 16 hour days for 2 pennies an hour?

"Good restaurants are clean - the food is delicious - the freshest, best veggies you could find anywhere, and so are other dishes. Sea food is still swimming in tanks when you order it. If you want a greasy hamburger or hot dog dont come to Asia. If you want good fresh food, excellent baking goods, great wine, wonderful produce - come to Asia."

dont make me laugh, the "fresh veggies" i saw in guangdong could give you the shits just from looking at them.

"The government and police are NOT dictatorial and over bearing - and learn this: "communism" is NOT a bad word. Its an exciting time to be in China and see the new communism emerge with capitalism and human rights - "

i beg to differ, maybe you should ask the tibetans/uighurs how "un-overbearing" and "un-dictatorial" the chinese authorities are....... or better yet, all the political prisoners making nikes at gunpoint in filthy prison sweatshops around that filthy country....

in conclusion, kindred is quite the line towing sino asskisser...

People!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sure you will be disappointed with China if you ever dream of traveling China.
Never buy foods in China!
I went there and I was shocked with
They are unhygenic and cause you stomachache since they contain lead and cadnium with toxic chemicals..

If you want to be healthy, better not eat foods in China.

Chineses are so unpleasant.
I visited to China this summer, and I have never seen any people who are so nasty to tourists.
I went to Hotel, and the manager says the room costs about 40 US Dollar and foods in the fridge are all free. I had 2 cans of coke and a bottle of water.
But they charged me 200 Dollar.
I asked why, and the manager threated me with his folks with knives.
And he threated me if I don't give tips to them all.

I know that China is a sloppy Communist country, with low GDP per capita, but I have never seen as barbaric and brainless species in my life.

I got so disgusted and felt awful, so I cancelled the rest of the trip in China.
I recommend not to visit China.

China is the most unpleasant place to visit for tourists. If you visite there, you will lose money and will get assaulted at any time.

I heard that Capital Punishement exists in China.
If one of weather forecaster casts incorrectly, then the person will get Death Penalty.
I know that it would damage largely in China, but I find it very foolish and ridiculous.
I find Chineses have mental illness in general.

Guys, give china a well-deserved break..
It's a developing country for God's sake! The GDP per capita of China is around $1,000.. What do you guys expect? Witht the 9% growth, China would be a decent developed country in ..50 years.. Come back LATER!

China, imho, is more like the US in late 19th century... when most of the population were literally redneck farmers and shitted on the street. we all know what happened a hundred years later (half of the population voted a redneck to the whitehouse..... twice)

Joking aside, for those Taiwanese or overseas chinese people who used harsh works on those Chinese living in China: you guys suck! Seriously... ask your grandparents or maybe just your parents what kind of life they live before you think you are born to be better than those live in mainland

Why dont you guys stop sucking white dicks and just be a proud chinese and live with your head up? Why dont you have to curse on your brothers and sisters just because they live in a poor country? You guys dont feel obliged to help? You Chinks think you guys are treated well in the US now? Tell me, why do your fellow asian american girls suck whitetrash's dicks, not your little Wangs?

lol^^

For all those Free Tibet rants..

You guys can just shut the hell up.. Go back to Ireland, Italy, Germany or China wherever your ancesters were from... Give the beautiful land back to the native americans.. Give Texas and California back to the Mexicans..

Mainland China FREED Tibet and we didnt genocide nobody... we just emigrate to Tibet.. so what's your problem? It's not likely any of you guys are native americans.. so what's the difference?

That was very funny !!! you could you even make it sound retarted for teachers to read!!! because at our chrismas play were trying to fing the most stupidest play ever but i guess we ca'nt use yours owell thanks eneywase!!!!!

First of all, I want to say, this site should be taken down. U hate China. So wat live with it it's not like every1 has to listen to ur ramblings about how much u hate it. As for me, I am Chinese. Though i agree. I can't stand China. I don't live there. I HATE it there.(i visted there once) But don't take it out on all chinese people.Not all Chinese are rude and arrogant. I hate the people there too. They scared the shit outta me and one grown up said he would lock me up in closet because i was crying (i was only 9) I agree with most of wat u hav said. but i am offended by the way u keep saying "CHINESE PEOPLE" now that is rude. I hate being chinese and the way my culture is. its not my fault that sum of my people are rude and just plain stupid. I hate that. I wish i were not Chinse. Thank God i was born in the U.S .U wouldn't be saying that u were chinese, u dum arrogant jerks who don't care about how other chinses people reading this feels.

LOL Chang. Well as a Chinese American I can honestly say that you have no idea what living in the US is about. No one is sucking the"white mans dick". I see a huge racism problem in mainland china especially with Han chinese. They think they are racially superior to other races and cant live in harmony with others. The US is completly differant from mainland china in this regard. Sure they are racism everywhere in the world but the life and harmony of differant races in the US is light years ahead of mainland china. I have been to china many times but I am an American chinese first and foremost with the emphasis on being American. I also have a white girlfriend. Its called a global society to my backward brethren in mainland china. :)

Before I start my ranting, I respect the fact that you put American in front of Asian. I have no problem with that.
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LOL juicer....

Dude you really dont know what you are talking about... You sound a lot like Bill O'Reilly to me: you drag everything out from your ass...

Racism problem in mainland china? Dude, my mom is a minority (chinese muslim with a little mid-asian look), my dad is a Han... No problem.. OK, let me put it this way, minorities in China look pretty much like Han Chinese, that might be why we live in peace.. but anyways, claiming that there is a huge racism problem in Mainland China is as stupid as you still think the God is white (lol on your intelligent design bullcrap)

On the other hand, you are saying American people are living in harmony? Let me quote something from the US television

"they are so poor, so black..."
"George W Bush dont like black people"

oh, wait, it sounds like what, last September? And dont forget what Rosa Parks had fought for... Some of you Asian Americans are pathetically denying the racial problems in the US... just because you make more than brothers doesnt mean you are treated as equally as white.. Just because you date 'up'.. dude, now that's ridiculous.. LOL let me quote ya , little slant-eyed chink "I also have a white girlfriend" , LOL

The chinese goverment is a bastard, no doubt about it.. but talking about racial policies in China... I give them 4.5 out of 5...

Damn some of you asian americans who fanatically deny who you are and look down upon your poor brothers and sisters in China ... damn you Michelle, I married white, Malkin (now, that's funny)

Your ranting proves my point. They are radicals in every country but the American soceity is a melting pot of assimilation. Yes Im proud of my chinese heritage but Im also proud of being an American. My loyalty goes to the US if a conflict ever broke out between the US and China. The reason for this is because of the communist authoritarian rule of the PRC. They hate our own people and will do anything to stay in powe there and I and my family want nothing to do with the mainland until it becomes democratic. Dont get me wrong I love chinese culture the Classic culture before 1949. Also, the han chinese are very racist against whites and blacks I have seen it with my own eyes so I dont need you trying to tell me what is and isnt. I lived in mainland china for 15 years and was there last month on a buisness trip.

In the good old days, i was a school bully... Let me kick the crap out of you, little "I also have a white girlfriend", William Hung wannabe, Juicer

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I thought we were talking about racisms in the US and China? I thought you claimed that you guys are living in peace in the US, no matter if you are white , black , asian or brown? Uh? Dont dodge the bullets. Dont start talking about the human rights shit. I know how bad it is in China. We are talking about racism.

Wow, you came to the US at age 15? Had a lot of fun in high school, did you? Pushed around by white kids because of your funny accent? Kicked around by black kids because of your little Wang? And oh, it's sad... ABCs aint hanging out with you coz of your fobby looking?

Oh, god forbids a war between China and the US.. That will be the last day of your little Chinaman's freedom... LOL, you didnt have a good education in the US, did ya? Internment camps, ring a bell? Wen Ho Lee, ya know what I am talking about? Again, Chinese goverment is bastard, but it has never put a whole RACE in camp.. Read your fucking history book before you talk shit...

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Truth hurts, doesnt it? So much for your "all races live in harmony in the US" bullcrap.... dude, do you watch TV? Are you retarded or color blind? 1992 LA riots had nothing to do with race, MLK, Cesar Chavez are all white, thousands of white refugees lived in the Superdome... and sure, OJ didnt kill his wife.. LOL

My friend, let me tell ya somehting... your screen name here "Juicer" is very homo... And I am sorry, sodomy is a sin in the US coz it's still ruled under the two thousand year old bible...

Wanna have more fun, my little "I came here at age 15 , but you know what? I also have a white girlfriend" Juicer?

Do some research, read some book, then come back

I came to the US when I was 22. Your ramblimgs prove my point. I dont debate with indoctrinated idiots like yourself. The US systemis greater than mainland chinas and their is no way around that fact. You say you were a bully and call people homo, its just what I thought about you probably some young fat kid that talks trash and spreads intolerance on the internet.
As my british friend says Yobs the lot of you. You probably arent even chinese.

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I have a few points
1.China is dirty and polluted but not in all places. There are unpolluted forests too.
2.The places that are polluted in China are large cities.
3.It is polluted because there are too many people.
4.There is not a lot of space for people to live in
5.US has the largest living space in the world, so you can’t compare the two.
6.The people who say free Tibet, shut up.
7.Chinese people don’t hate Hong Kong people
8.China is making progress. They made a train track to Tibet, their technology is becoming more advanced.
SHUT UP YOU STUPID PEOPLE! YOU ARE VERY VERY VERY ******* STUPID! TAKE A LOOK! Idiots!

Read my post, people. It's sencible, unlike what SOME people wrote!

China is polluted everywhere.

None of a single place is clean in China.

Even forests, National Parks, museums and River are flooded with muds, chemical toxic, and germs.

China burns tons of coals in every local area, those burnt acid evaporate in the air, and rains which cause massive destruction of the environment.

Water in China is obviously dirty and tasteless, and many Chineses suffer with diseaes.

So, China is obviously the dirtiest country in the world along with taiwan, india, pakistan, and thailand.

So all Chineses!
Stop ranting and raving like mentally chanllenged patients!
Your idiot comments make your garbage country even more foolish!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop stop barking!

China and its ppl sucks. one thing is for sure, british and americans may be ethnically similar but cultrally different and the same goes for ppl who may be white/ yellow/ black/ brown or red. i hate china and wish that this evil power will be contained before disaster strikes.

BTW, Tibet and Taiwan are supposed to be free. However it has been robbed of its identity by the PRC and whoever who suppotys china in its evil ways have their brains stuffed up their arses.

Free Taiwan!!!
Free Tibet!!!
Free Hong Kong!!!
Free Macau!!!
Free East Turkestan!!!

shut up

If you atcually took the time to read my post, you'll see that I wrote "CHINA IS POLLUTED BECAUSE THERE'S TOOOO MANY PEOPLE" If you were to live in a house with say, 10 people, would the house be squeeky clean? Huh? Also, part of the reason parts of China is messed up is because of the stupid government. They actually create poverty. They just make rich people richer and poor people more poor. So shut up!

By the way, shut up about Free Tibet.

Although right now there are many places unsatisfied in china, it is progressing, faster than US & Canada. Each time when I get back to china, I always find it changed greatly. I am sure china will be getting better and better.

I agree with you the way you view the issue. I remember Jack London once said everything positive has a negative side; It is also interesting to see different viewpoints & learn useful things in the discussion.

I am a Thai (Chinese-Thai) who has visited China over 5 times in 10 years as well as other countries. When you say Chinese, you cannot stereotype them because it's so hugh, so diversified. It's so narrowed-mind as if you say mankind on earth is shit.

Nevertheless,

No matter how much economically Chinese is developing in term of GDP growth or narrowing income disparities (the latter is quite difficult), the country will lack behind others because of its modern cultures. They are brain-washed by its educational system and dictated media. People are extremely materialistic and selfish. NOT EVERYONE of cause, however, you are rightly say if majority are seemingly so.

Generally (and I mean generally), I do not think Chineses are good people compared to other nations - particularly its GOVERNMENT.

For god's sake, please let Japanese go, the country has numerously apologised and helped China developed for years (even if the help is for Japan's own benefits). There are so so many adversities Chinese anchesters did to their own people in history of thousand years. How many Chineses the beloved chairman Mao killed directly and indirectly during his memorable days... If your anchester kill someone else, is it a appropriate thing to do as chineses doctrined by Confusious to ignore paying respect to them? The anti-Japanese movement is nothing more than a political game Chinese government do simply to boost its own nationalism.

As someone above says Taiwan is A COUNTRY. Yes, it's true Please let them govern themselves. What has China contributed to the country in its modern time? vitually - NOTHING or significantly low. Its culture, technology, economy and ways of life have been formed by its own people - Taiwanese - also Japan and world communities. (and yes, even if the countributions are mutual beneficial.)

All I can say. I DO NOT HATE CHINESE IN GENERAL. But Chinese as a whole have a plenty of room for change and adjustment to be deemed civilised in the world community.

Ok, first off i'd like to address that i'm from hongkong and i live in canada, where there are equally many (and i mean MANY) chinese and hong kong immigrants.

1) YES!! generally speaking cantonese people dislikes mandarin people is true!
-HOWEVER not many mandarin people dislike cantonese people
2)As much as i hate to admit, cantonese people do love to brag a lot about hong kong to a degree it's fake
3)Cantonese people are proud of cantonese language and hate mandarin language
4.) If you go to cantonese restaurants, THEY TREAT MANDARIN PEOPLE WORSE!!!

ON MY ABOVE POST
what i generall mean is in terms of being cantonese or mandarin, people hate each other. I think both sides have their social problems when they're together and because china is reunited with hongkong again, I think cantonese people and mandarin people should be able to get togethe without conflicts

It's funny to see a Thai talking shit..

If you guys are so good, so superb.. why do millions of Thai guys cut their little penis off to be women?

And tell me, why do westerns and now chinese people travel to Thailand? Sex travel anyone? Under-age prostitutes anyone?

As Kurt Vonnegut might tell ya: you human beings disgust me...

Why did you delete those racist comments from your fella american people that told you guys to get the hell out of America?

Look, I am no advocate of racism, but since the whole thread here is about discrminating against mainland chinese. It'd be more fair and balanced if you hadn't deleted those racist comments against Asian people.

You guys need a reality check.. Dont tell me you guys are treated like others in the US, coz you are not.. well, white people get better service even in Chinatowns ..

I am just wondering, where is that suckie fob, "I came to US at age 22, but I also have a white girlfriend" Juicer?

Chineses should no longer act like little children.
We know that China is a Communist country also an evil imperialist country.
Although China has a little potential to grow, China is still an unfaithful country

I like America better than China.
Americans are true Democrats who fight for justince but Chineses are nothing but thieves and criminals.

Bravo, someone actually speaking poorly of the Chineses. I've never been to China but I have a biased opinion of them because my wife is Cambodian (khmer) and the part China took in the rise of Pol Pot is rarely spoken of. America Usually takes all the blame, which they with out doubt helped destabilize the country, but China took direct action to destroy the government of Cambodia. This of course resulted in 1.5 to 3 million deaths. China is given to much recognition only because they can mass produce products cheap,
and the corporate pigs here will ignore anything if they can resale with big profit. We Americans have been drawn in like every other power that has tried to influence China. Soon we'll all be speaking chineses and making cheap plastic toys for THEM.

Come on! Whoever said that Japanese people helped Chinese is talking ****shit! What gave you that idea? And for god sakes, Japan IS a country of it's own! Whoever told you it wasn't? Idiot! Go home and do some studying you numbskull!

sum of u people mistakenly judge the chinese. i am cantonese and i have tons of maderin friends and i can make friends with other types of people as well. I don't go judging other countries and places if i hadn't actually been in it and stayed in it. Even though i was born here in the u.s, i been to china twice and yes they are rude and mean, but its because of their government. the chinese in china has no one to influence them to change. my mom had a father there once and the government kept him in jail for 10 years for something he didn't do. Its not their fault they are different from people in america. If only they were influenced by good people around them and had a developed nation and weren't so poor, they could be better people. don't you think if u were born in china u would be the same as them? maybe maybe not, but don't get angry at them because of who they are. its kind of sad though.

instead of passing insults and telling china that they are dirt, feel sorry for them and feel happy that u don't live there.

Japan never helped China.
Japaneses are and were thieves all the time.
But Chineses were thieves in the past for centuries......
Both are unfaithful and distrustful ppl

YOU KNOW WHY THIS GUY HATES CHINA? BECAUSE THIS LOSER HAILS FROM TAIWAN..

IVE BEEN TO TAIWAN.. YUCKS REEKS OF ROTTEN FISH.. PATHETIC COUNTRY FILLED WITH TEMPLES AND NOTHING ELSE..

FUCK TAIWAN (BTW IM NOT FORM CHINA U SONNABITCH TAIWANEEEESSS)

OK PEOPLE
you say that the fact that Japan changed its textbook and contains false information. That's true, they did alter the real history behind the textbook.

But what you might not know is that Chinese Communist Government DOES that in their school textbooks (mostly grade 6) up to middle school.
Although information portraied is not FAKE, HOWEVER THEY DO EXAGERRATE ON HOW COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT IS THE "SUPREME" and INFLUENCE KIDs FROM YOUNG AGE ABOUT how GOOD COMMUNISM IS!!

Let me put it this way... There are 4 evils in east asia

1) Chinese communist party (no free speech, no free media, no election whatsoever)

2) Corp USA (greedy bastards, Walmart, do I need to say more?)

3) Japanese neo-jingolism movement (trouble makers, trying to abandon the peace-constitution)

4) North Korean bastards...

People, there is no hope there... WWIII is waiting

fuck taiwanese people, who ever host this website is a taiwanese fucked up guy, he just has this haste on china cuz china is getting better and better than taiwan, taiwan is cann't do shit now because if they do, we great chinese will fuck up the whole island by drop some bombs, nuclear power give china the ability to fuck taiwan up. no doubt, and liaoy yu sheng, a shit taiwanese guy will vanish from this world, FUCK YOU LIAO YU SHENG..... JUST FUCK YOU. your mama and your fucking whole family will be fucked up once will drop the bomb. we will drop one in cheng shui bian's family and we will drop on in your family, i think that is enough to fuck up the whole tiny island. if two is not enough, we have more to make the stupid island disappear from the earth...............

i must agree with lia yusheng with ten reasons why china sucks. First of all, i agree that you son of a bitch heads have no courtesy. Have you seen any chinese people eat at a banquet? Oh my FUCKIN GOD THEY ARE SO DISCOURTEOUS. it takes FOREVER TO GET THE FOOD BECFAUSE THEY STICK THEIR FUCKIN CHOP STICKS IN THE FOOD. i mean the food is so contaminated it is disgusting. This is why china sucks

fuck taiwan,

taiwanese eat digushing shit,

chinese are different from taiwanese, just making fucking sure you fucking know that.
you little fuck shit head.

replyig back to JO momma, DUDE, what the fuck is ur problem? Stop spamming YOU FUCKIN SHIT HEAD. You got a problem with taiwan people? Well, i can tell you to kiss my ass and suck my dick head u mutherfucken cunt head

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW UNCIVILISED THE CHINESES ARE WHEN THEY GIVE OPINIONS:

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It's funny to see a Thai talking shit..

If you guys are so good, so superb.. why do millions of Thai guys cut their little penis off to be women?

And tell me, why do westerns and now chinese people travel to Thailand? Sex travel anyone? Under-age prostitutes anyone?

As Kurt Vonnegut might tell ya: you human beings disgust me...

Posted by: Chang at November 19, 2005 04:32 AM
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You guys can see how rude and unreasonable some chineses are here... It's simple as that! ... Most of Chinese are shit! ... Only a small handful of them is acceptable... You may be developing economically but CHINESES' MIND ARE JUST FULL OF SELFISHNESS.

Horrible country, horrible people...

Chineses go to HELL.

if you don't listen to china and china get mad you fuck up and die because we chinese (not tiwanese or pieces of shit like those) are the greatest human beings in this earth. JO MAMMA IS TOTALLY RIGHT!!! We greatest china have power to sink the whole island of taiwan with our devastating nuclear bombs with the bulge of our eyes and blow the living fat ass american bitches into shredded pork within few minutes. here's my ranking of how great a person is
1.) CHINESE
2.) all the rest of you motherfucking whiggers, niggers, japs, jews, taiwanese penile stains, and all you dead shit carcasses lying around the rest of the globe

ps taiwanese people - if you want independence so much then y don't you go head on with our greatest chinese communist government. Let's see you go up to them and argue. I guarantee within 3 seoncds you'd be pissing your pants running bakc to your taiwanese shithole crying your little pussy asses off

In some parts of China, there are realtions like in the middle ages. China has no Regulates. This country sucks! A pity for all the people who live there.

This place is so fucked up... You guys are all retarded, chinese or not.. you guys are just fucking stupid...

spam name i know, tell me about it its crazy. allright.....i live in shanghai and im only a kid...so you dont have to listen.... so dont get me wrong but i agree with alot of the shit you say about CHina. I demand that you put "spitting and open coughing" as number 1 on your shit list. Cus well....it drives me nuts. My AYE (maid...you know..the one that cleans) after washing the sink...SHE FRIKEN SPITS IN IT 2 seconds after she cleans it. i dont get that. but yea..im gonna argue that there are a lot of good things about shanghai and this website is just making you look like a negative, narrow minded dude who likes to comment about why china sucks. its pretty cool dude...it has its cons...but hell yeah it has his pros...ill be happy if you put "10 reasons why china sucks...AND...not or...AND..10 reasons why CHina rocks hard core" yeah...thats all i gotta say...you dont have to listen...im cool with it since there are friken 50000000000 posts on this website anyways. i love yall...i love the internet....keep expressing your self everyone..

oh yea i forgot...i love you hardcore...i once heard a joke...you know what it was..here ill tell you for all the sad lives of people that actually have time for a website called "why china sucks....common people...get a hobby...do something with your life instead of reading the views of narrowminded people" but yeah....the joke was............this website sucks A s s LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAA funny shit i know...no seriously it does..and im only writing so much cus this was a school assignment...... bananas with ketchup is good shit...then stick it up your ass...mmmmmmm...homemade...i love it

lol u guys r lyk n00bz.. i lyk live in teh chinaz// and it like haxes american noobs.. we dont go no dumb american president who blows teh fuck out of ppl to restore peace... more like a war to end peace... JAJAJAJA n00bz... lyk china economy also haxes urs... and lyk we gots ayis who spit on dishes like sheeskaa mama said.. we also got BOOZE here taht u poor 21 year and below minors cannot afford aww ja boboo poor baby :* go sex a fucking dildo cause u cant even afford one CAUSE ITS 21$$ NIGGA HERE ITS 10 RMB tHATS 1 FUCKING BUCK BITCESH I DONT NEED UR SHIT TO BITCH ABOUT CHINA ILL FUCKIN KILL U ALL.. CHINAS GOT NUCKEALR BOMBS WE AINT AFRAID OF NO AMERICAN BITCH GO TELL BUSH TO TRIM IT AND FUCK U ALL GOOD NIGHT.. BILL LCINTON OWNED BUT HE ALSO CHEATED.. SHOWS HOW STUPID AMERICANS ARE JAJAJAJAJA

Lol china kinda sucks but its kinda funny too. I hax in china and it totally rox americas sox. Like one time i was on me school bus and my holmes saw these chinese dudes on a bicycle, and we're like hax and threw a scrunched up tissue at them. and then our bus got stopped at the red light so we re like oh shit and the person on bicycle he uses one thumb to cover his left nostril and then blows super hard and then this snot flys like ass and lands on our bus windows. and then we r all like wtf and laughing our asses off. Like this is total shows the skills of chinese ppl. AZN4LIFE

wtf mate ^^ that stuff is so fucked

but guess what. GET USED TO IT. this is china. love it cause it's china. the culture here is different, and remember that china modernized some 150 years after all the european nations started it. if we pulled you western nations back 150 years. wow that's the american civil war! seems pretty low technology from back then. anyways, my point is. if you have a problem with china, go stick your finger up your ass and maybe you'll understnad better.

or maybe i'll call bush to blow a nuke on himself. wahahaha.

To: The person who began this website

Seriously dude, this page has become too unorganized. Try deleting some comments that were there months ago...

There is no point deleting comments.
Chineses are definitely dishonest fools.
If China sucks shit, then Chineses should rather consider why ppl say such things, rather than deleting comments like little children.

I began to look down upon Chineses as dogs.
Actually Chineses are lower than dogs.

Americans and Canadians should kick all Chineses out of their countries since Chineses steal top confidential infos by sending spies.

Also, China is a criminal Communist country and consistently kill you ppl.
Plus, China develop internationally illegal weapons to threat Japan, USA, Braitain, Russia.
So, the world should do away with China otherwise China will kill you ppl for no reason.

i live in canada, and chinese people are taking over here, i hope the government gets a clue and stops accepting every chinese person that applies to get here,seriously in some cities u can walk a block and nto see one single white person

As an ethnic Chinese whose grandparents came to Malaya (now Malaysia), I always felt growing up that Chinese culture was very rough and uncouth. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to put down or insult. I realize that my grandparents were from the peasant class and had they been from the upper class, maybe my impression would have been different. But living in a former British colony and exposed to education in missionary schools which emphasized politeness, cleanliness and good manners, Chinese culture (at least the rough peasant culture that many Chinese immigrants practiced) to me seemed very unsophisticated. Yes, I think Chinese culture has achieved a lot in the past but since the 1700's really stagnated or maybe even went backwards. I attribute this to arrogance. There is something about Chinese culture that makes them assume that they always know best and they don't need to learn from other cultures. This is an objective view as someone who is a ethnic Chinese and wants nothing but the best for the Chinese culture. I write based on my experience as descendents of Chinese immigrants. I have been to China, but only a brief visit to Beijing in 1998 so I won't comment on mainland Chinese culture. My wishlist on the Chinese culture that I am familiar with:

1. Discard the culture of cheapness. Stop trying to make everything using the cheapest methods possible.

2. Make cleanliness a priority.

3. Make aesthetics a priority. Stop making ugly things.

4. Stop telling ethnic Chinese who wants to improve Chinese culture to feel ashamed of themselves.

5. Make humility a virtue.

6. Learn from the Japanese. Yes, the Japanese nation did terrible things in the past but don't let the past be an obstacle to the future. The difference between Japanese and Chinese culture is like night and day. Japanese products and services are usually higher quality, more refined and more beautiful. Just look at the way the present their food and compare it with Chinese food. Japan is so clean and people are so polite.
I am not advocating Chinese imitate the Japanese, but simply learn a thing or two from them.

Cheers
C

Civilians Killed by Governments in the Twentieth Century: Top Three Regimes

Soviet Union (Communists) 61,900,000 1917-1990................................
China (Communists) 35,200,000 1949- Present ............................
Germany (Nazi Third Reich)20,900,000 1933-1945

Mainland Chinese people are no different from Hong Kong people. Most Hong Kong people are rude, have bad manners, discriminating, makes money their god. They spit everywhere. So who says HK people are superior to the mainland Chinese??? They only want to be, that I can say.

First of all, you mention a lack of education. Well it's obvious YOU are uneducated because you seem to forget that you are living in a country with a different culture and different customs. Yes, cutting in lines and spitting is prominent and it is disgusting and so is the fact that there is veyr little eprsonal space but this is due to the mass overcrowding in both the rural areas and major cities. Furthermore, the part about people 'yelling' is usually misunderstood. Just as I have seen in Israel people often yell and scream at one another when infact they are merely communicating or tellnig a story of something annoying or ridiculous that happened that day. The bottom line is cultural differences. It is not considered rude in China..maybe to a foreigner like you (I don't care if you're of Chinese descent or not!). You should be the one assimilating, not the chinese! Afterall, you are the one gonig to live in their country. I have been to Shanghai and I find it to be one of the most sophisticated cities in China as well as one of the most beautiful! As I said before, if you have an opinion keep it to yourself. you talk about 'progress' but what does that really mean? The fact that China is slipping more and more away from its old socialist values are clearly having an effect on the locals; eg. more nad mre poor people on the streets. I find , after eating in tourist and local restaurants, that the food is actualy quite good. As for your comments on how H.K. and Taipei have those 'good things ' too...guess what? Taiwan, Macau, Manchuria, Hong Kong...they're all part of China! Just check a map of the world. Going aside from the negatives of the article you are right about a few things. Firstly, Mao's decision to simplify Chinese was a good one to increase literacy and also to help people speaking different dialects to better understand one another. HOWEVER it is a shame that people now virtualy only use simplified mandarin and not traditional. Also, I agree with you that the people have horrible mandarin...just go to Beijing they have the most unintelligable dialect of all the mainlanders.

To switch topics for just a moment, it's simply ridiculous what a previous blogger was insinuating by showing death rates in the U.S.S.R. and the third -reich of all nations and regimes! You think those numbers are self explanatory but that is exactly the problem! no one in their right mind can say that China is perfect but Mao was a great visionary and definately was not comparable to Hitler or Stalin. Many of those casualties were suffered during a civil war against Chiang Kai-shek...the Taiwanese will tell you how great he was...aside from kill the Japanese he wasn't very usefull! He killed just as many chinese peasants and backed up the greedy capitalist war and land lords who he gave power to in China. Oh yeah, capitalism sure is way better. I could give you the numbers too but unless I went on explaining the history behind them all they'd mean nothing to you at all

Now, I'm not saying that China is perfect and I could on forever going through the many comments posted here that are one. As one of the first commenters said you can't just make stereotypes. Mao was not perfect, nor is the government. How about you find better things to do aside from stereotypnig. you, sir, the authour of the aforementioned article are an embarassment to the chiense nation! You have insulted a hard worknig and honest people and for that i am rather out raged.

I have to go now, please everyone think about what I have said.

sincerely,

Alexander J Hill, esq.

well, you ppl sure have a lot to say. the thing is, you guys just think one thing and just say it with out thinking about it like Dirty Deuce, john doe, Fred Rogers, Sars and other ppl. you ppl dont no shit and you ppl only live in ur little world that contain wats around u. sure chinese might have manner problem, americans doesnt? they fking dont care about stuff but themselves. sure they a great nation (just like china) but they still got things ppl not proud of. you guys gota face the reality, no country start of like a perfect nation. look at britian or french. the revolutions, the dictatorship, the hunger. gave china some credit, it might not be the country of perfection, but its moving toward there.

you saying the goverments are bad? (well, it is bad cause of some ppl), look at Bushhead, is he such a good person? cheats on the voting thing, provoking war just for oil and wealth, leaving all the black ppl stranded when disasters struck and he still got the position to be the president. where the fk is justice.

the food definately rock, and if u think not then 2 bad. if you dont like it then dont, i dont like some of the food in western world, so guess wat, i dont eat it....
it might not be so clean which i have noticed, so thats y u only eat at clean restaurants and leave the one thats not clean to bankrupt and teach them a lesson

some ppl said that chinese ppl cant talk english. y the fk should they, they live happily in their own country, doing wat they like, y the fk do they wana learn english. y is english soooo important. y dont u learn chinese then, see how u like it

about the japan, china thing, there not much to say except that japan stole all the stuff from china. wonder y japanese character looks sort of the same as chinese? cause they stole it and simplified it to some other stuff. even i can read some of the characters in japan

for the free taiwan thing, i cant say much. u dont really no wats goin on around the goverments head. but i think its part of china and i feel disgraced that the mainland didnt put much care in it but its put of the great nation

my final comment, you said that chinese ppl arent polite, well i can say that for all the countries out there. some might have less (like canada, a great place) well others have lots. chinese ppl are getting better at doing this, it just take one thing, time. you cant be like ya i met this chinese person and he was rude, so chinese ppl are rude. i cant b like u are rude to chinese ppl so white ppl are rude. that doesnt make sense.

as i have said, china is not a bad or a perfect place. it depends on how u look at it, if u just look at it like its a crappy place, then thats all ull ever think about

P.S. we dont suc but u can say that to just someone who does and if u just say china suc, well have to deal with it outside

did u hear abt tt guy whose blog got cancelled cuz he insulted the chinese goverment?????? I tink tt was totally crazy n screwed up...... china's a huge country and the communist goverment can't control everyting dat's going on ... so instead of wasting their time on rubbish they should do something about all the air and water and NOISE pollution ..... or they could investigate the student killings tt happened 20 years ago...... hold on ..... THEY KILLED THE STUDENTS..... and the chinese gvt is alwayz right..... not..... and the chinese hatred for anyone with dark skin is totally screwed.... trust me, i noe....

Greetings Comrades.

This is directed to the original poster, who probably doesn't give a damn about this anymore, and regrets bringing it up in the first place! Well, let me tell YOU something, I'm about to make you regret it even more. You have made s a list of 10 things that are bad exclusively to China; well I will rebut each and every one.

1. Bad internet service...

Rebuttal: Guess what idiot, there are people here in Canada that have bad internet! Some people DON'T even have internet at all! Does that mean we are a backward society??? NO. Does that make us a "scary-ass" country? NO.

2. Horrible mandarin:

Rebuttal: I speak both Cantonese and Mandarin and I must say that even though Cantonese is my first language, and Mandarin is my weakest dialect, I can still understand when someone from Beijing, or Shanghai, or Xi'an speaks to me! The Mandarin you hear people speaking in mainland China is "Commoner" talk, and that is the way that it should be accepted. If 1.2 billion Chinese speak in that way (And that number of speakers is relatively accurate), then how can you say that it is horrible? If the 60 million people who live in France speak FRANCE French, does that mean that the 10 million people who live in Quebec and speak Quebecois French are barbaric, or behind? NO. Just because you have learned (Assuming you can actually SPEAK the language) in a way that is different, does not mean that their way is horrible. Learn to be more open-minded.

3. Simplified Chinese is an abomination...

Rebuttal: As Alex said, Mao implemented the Simplified system to allow literacy rates to improve! This was an attempt to make China MORE advanced! Also, as Mao saw, English was the world language of commerce, mainly because it was easy to learn! Well, as wise as Mao was, he wanted more foreigners to pick up the Chinese language so that Chinese may eventually replace English (Or work alongside, for any Brits out there reading this) as the world language of commerce! Mao wanted to go even as far as doing what the Vietnamese did and abolish the character system and write using the "Pinyin System" (i.e. Ni Hao Ma?). Does wanting to increase literacy make Chinese behind? NO. Does wanting to have an economy powerful enough to challenge that of the US backward or wrong? NO.

4. Rudeness...

Rebuttal: Well, we are obviously accustomed to politeness and all this nice good stuff where people are nice to everyone else. In China, and in Canada where there are a lot of Chinese people (i.e. Pacific Mall in Toronto), the culture of pushing and shoving etc... reaches over from the mainland! Personally, people who live in North America are generally, how should I put this... FAKE. In China, people will tell you things as they are, and they will act as they think necessary to get what they want, and to get things done. In North America, it's all, "Oh go ahead! I didn't want that XBOX 360 that badly!" then the sucker goes home to face his disappointed child who had been begging for it for a long time! If that were Chinese people, it would be more like this, "Well Little Zhang! I had to trample 4 people to get it, but here it is!", and even for the parents who didn't get the XBOX, they just say, "I FOUGHT VALIANTLY FOR IT, BUT ONE MAN, CAME, SAW AND BOUGHT..." And Chinese kids who are a lot more respectful of their parents than kids here would not be sad, they would be proud. (This is a hypothetical situation, and may not have happened...) So, does a firm desire to get things done mean you are backward, or behind?? NO.

5. Pollution...

Rebuttal: The pollution in China is a product of the ever expanding Chinese economy. Also, we have pollution here in Canada as well, and in the United States, and pretty much everywhere there is a high density of population and powerful economic forces, so does this make us backward, scary or horrible? NO.

6. Hocking phlegm...

Alright... No argument here... (Except for the fact that people everywhere do it, but yeah, mainlanders are pretty bad...)

7. Yelling...

Rebuttal: They are expressing themselves VERY clearly. I'd bet if you were reading your "article" out loud, you would yell too, as I would be if I were reading MY reply out loud (Because of my obvious outrage at your close-mindedness and stupidity).
I was in France and Switzerland (The place where fancy pants waiters and busboys are around every damn corner waiting to "Freshen ze ice vateur!" and people THERE yell a lot too!!! Does that make THEM backward, or horrible? NO.

8. Food...

Rebuttal: No matter where you go in the WORLD, if you decide to go somewhere cheap, don't expect 4-star service. Guess what, if someone was accustomed to eating in 4-star restaurants all the time came over one day to a KFC, and based their opinion on the society, the country and the entire populous of the country on it (as you clearly have), THEY WOULD BE DISGUSTED! Guess what buddy, go over to any decent restaurant, and you will find good service, good cleanliness and very, very good food. So, are you NOT an idiot? NO. (I had to end it with 'NO.', so I stated the obvious...)

9. Bad architecture...

Rebuttal: This is your opinion of something that is basically the same as art. I hate Picasso, but someone somewhere DID, THAT'S WHY EVERYONE KNOWS PICASSO! Just because you don't like the architecture, doesn't mean it's bad, you never know, it might be a very efficient and practical design (I'm no architect, so I won't use my opinion as fact, as you did.) So, does one guy's opinion make a necessary reflection on an entire nation's people and society? NO.

10. Old men... With young women...?

Rebuttal: I've never seen this before in China... Perhaps you've been hanging in the wrong districts... And, how dirty can the old men be if they can afford, such, as you so eloquently put it, "Hot young things"?

There has also been a lot of talk about Taiwan. Well, I have no problem with Taiwan except for the following: China offered the ROC (Republic of China... Taiwan...) a deal whereby Taiwan could be a democratic country that did not follow China's communist party one bit. The only condition was that Taiwan would leave its name and go under the flag of the People's Republic of China. They refused under the pretense of, "Fear of betrayal, as the Communist Party of China is so well known for". Well, when presented the fact that Macau and Hong Kong were both under that deal, they said, "We are not the same as Hong Kong and Macau". As a person with roots in Hong Kong, I take offense to this, merely because they are uncooperative and think themselves better than me, and my people. The people of Taiwan have worked alongside China for the past 5000 years, and now, because they feel that they deserve independence, they think they should get it. I hate the Taiwanese mindset, as do people in the PRC, H-K, and Macau. It is THAT mindset that is going to get them all killed. And their deaths will not be in vain, because that's what they deserve for thinking themselves better than everyone. I believe that the Taiwanese have strayed away from the flock, and it is up to the Chinese to chase them back in, or to kill them...

Anyhow, to whoever wrote the original blog, you are a closed minded fool who should REALLY experience the 5000 years of Chinese culture fully, before he/her forms all these conclusions and stereotypical views.

With Socialist Greetings,

Zhuang Junhao.

Everyone, stop posting on this rediculous continuous thread. It's fruitless to continue this conversation. Shut up-you!

--FERTIG--

oi...do you know that French flats have 250 people living per square mile and chinese flats have 6000. Enyet the crime rate in one hong kong flat comparable to a French one is way less.

And yes HK is part of China. It's not a Englands little brother anymore.

Just stating the facts.
Don't believe me.

watch imagination on BBC news around 1 month back. If you can get your hands on one :X
This is in response against point 4,7 and 10.
If the author is still reading this Fruitless tread.

Thanx Mr.body.
Peace out.

"Get rich or die trying" - 50 cent (rap makes sense in this instance)

Visiting China these days is not ideal for everyone. Maybe try visiting as a tourist, stay for five days and then leave just as you came because your world is more than likely far too comfortable to enjoy "real" China living. I would invite you to go as a tourist, as you will find your stay quite "cushy".

Living in China is hard work. A lot of the food is not as "healthy" because, unlike North American countries., China has not established an effective method of enforcing any sort of standard Health code. Some may enjoy the food, as I have for many years. And there are many good restaurants in Shanghai (it's where half of my family lives).

I have found any major city in China will more polluted than Westerners will find to be acceptable. You don't like it? Then don't come here. The same goes for any other complaints.

I do, of course, highly agree with all of your statements. They are fairly accurate generalizations.

I hope that you can find peace wherever you go, whether in China or elsewhere.

A WARNING TO THE WHOLE WORLD OF WESTENERS esp European:

1. You all lots are lack of manners and very rude when you see someone has black hair then you will ask 'You are from China?' This is extremely annoying. Imagine if Asian see you guys with bloody gold hair and the first things we ask is 'Are you from US?'

2. Especially to Scandianvian people. All of you fools are naive and stupid. You all lots are pigs, just know how to rely on your systems to work and don't think. You all are ridiculous. Even the immigration department has no common sense about people with black hair are from different Asian countries, NOT JUST CHINA!
If you guys who have bloody gold hair have doubts in seperating Chinese, Hong Konger, Taiwanese, Japanese, Thai, read more books, you fool, but don't just judge by yourself. Don't mess up Hong Kongers, Chinese and Taiwanese, especially. They are very different, they have different backgrounds and culture.

3. Don't think everyone with black hair are from China. BE RESPECTFUL!!!

Have read the common of Apple, although she was a bit emotional, but totally understand why she was so angry.

I am asked 8 times out of 10 times by western people if I am from China. This is offensive. I hate to explain every time, and even hate to be treated as them. It is a really bad manners for westeners to guess where I am from all the time.

And true, European especially, just treated all people with black hair as Chinese. My wife is from Hong Kong, so I know China and Hong Kong are very different place. Hong Kong people don't like to be treated as mainland Chinese. It was very embarrassing for Hong Kong people, they are no doubt Chinese, but they don't want to be treated as those generally rude Chinese as in the mainland. Hong Kong people are generally educated, follow rules, well mannered and polite. They love to come to Japan for shopping for the latest fashion and products. They are very welcome by most Japanese people.

People from Europe should have more understanding between these two, or even three groups (with Taiwanese) of people.

Jap

right, i agree that westerners should learn how to tell real Chinese Han people from hong kongnese and taiwanese. hong kongnese are cantonese. taiwanese are aboriginals of polynesia (except for those fled to taiwan with KMT from mainland by the end of the civil war). they are not typical chinese but south asian islander really, thus they had darker skin. we are very different race. please differentiate between us!

after reading the posting here, i just feel that ppl are very mean to our chinese ppl. if you wanna be mean, we can be meaner.
whether u like us or not, we are gonna trump. china is as big as usa. china is making progress. we are smart! so we just need more time. our size of economy gonna surpass japan and america in 50-100 years. ask yrself, in the past 5000 years, how many years are chinese ahead of the world and how many years is the rest of world ahead of china.
we fall backward just in the most recent 200 years. i am very confident in china. after we turn our 90% bucolic peasant population that is not functioning in our society into skilled labors, nurses and even engineers, our country will be once again ahead of yr rapidly aging, collapsing empire.

hey, if you guys hate china and her people so much, my advice: leave her alone and stay out. thanks.

Apple and Jap, you have my sympathy. But hey, what can you do about it? Huh?

lol i LOVE YOUR ARTICLE I HATE CHINA you shou;d get into the government part because the government shouldn't censor the internet

I agree with most well-made arguments from both sides, but not the offensive comments. If you leave this site after reading it and learn nothing, learn this: Either live with it if you have to, leave it if you don't want to have anything to do with it, but the fact remains that it is inevitable China will become a superpower, if not one already.

Whether good experience or not, it is well worth visiting China for an experience of a life time. If you do come, it is recommended that you know where you are heading, ie. do some research! Avoid rural areas if you are not all sure about your trip.

This is a pointless argument...here are the answers:
1.china is already a superpower.
2.there is no pint to criticise the chinese people: they are still a developing country. We westerners were once the same, besides the chinese have been a superpower a lot more times than us.

The world is going to end soon. WW3 2006-2012 - notradamous prophecy. We are going to die...all of us...whether fuking chinese or what not.

Events:
-Iran will go ahead with it's nuclear program
-Israel will launch an airstike
-Russia will protect Irans nuclear facilities as agreed and launch a backlash against Israel
-The US will intervene
-UK and Europe will intervene on behalf of US
-WW3
THE END

holy shit batman life in china seems to all thats advertised here in america. good on you for speaking out. you're right the future of our planet is very uncertain i'll be 52 next march and i guess i'm lucky to have made it this far. i hope to straighten up soon and see if i can last a little longer. keep up the good work bro and keep me posted @raymondbresnan@comcast.net ray bresnan seattle wa.

China is overpopulated to such a dangerous degree that it is threatening the entire world. They have billions upon billions of people living in a primitive communist country. The sad thing is that China is still able to populate, instead of having a one child policy, they should be forced to have a no-child policy. The United states should take all means neccessary to ensure that this happens. We should use the strictest sanction methods, to exert extreme preasure on China so that the world will never have to hear of the birth of Ching Chang.

hey 'get a life', thanks for your sympathy. it is because there's nothing we can control westerners mouth of asking us 'Are you from China' and I think that's what make me upset.

And my wife from Hong Kong is also upseted that every time she told people she is from Hong Kong, she is being asked 'How's HK after the took over', imagine, all these years after 1997, how many times she has been asked? I will say maybe more than 1000 times as she works for a big US company and she deals with suppliers from all over the world, and she feel even more offensive when people said 'Hong Kong is China, it's the same, you people eat everything with 4 legs'!

You see, Hong Kong people are very much influenced by the western education for so long, they cannot accept mainland Chinese eat 'unusual' animals as well, however, most westerners made Hong Kong people and mainland Chinese belong to the same big group. This is totally wrong. They just generalized people from Hong Kong and mainland China as Chinese, and even say they are the same!!!

This is extremely unfair to Hong Kong people. They are just technically being grouped as Chinese because of the stupid took over, but Hong Konger have very different society, government, holidays, values, education, language, culture and they even look, behave and dress differently.

I think for those westerners, especially european who think all black hair people are Chinese from China are very naive. Plus, if they wish to know more about the took over, go search the net and read more books. Don't ask all the time when you bump into someone from Hong Kong. Also be respectful! if you think all Hong Kong people are the same as mainland Chinese, not only you are showing a lot of people that you are not educated, also you are showing people that you are just an ultimate idiot who can have no medicines to heal, in a way, hopeless!

Jap

Maybe I should also tell everyone who browse this link the difference of Hong Kong people and mainland Chinese as well according to my observation as a Japanese. And it is important to know, too. Because, me and my wife heard a lot of mainland Chinese overseas lied to westerners that they are from Hong Kong. That's an insult to Hong Kong people, these Chinese use the name of Hong Kong people but do not behave like them.

1. Hong Kong people looks more educated and stylish.

2. Hong Kong people are tidy and clean, and do not have bad smell coming from their mouth body.

3. Hong Kong people don't jump queue or push you in a crowd.

4. Hong Kong people will not do anything digusting such as spitting on the street.

5. Hong Kong people are reasonable.

6. When Hong Kong people go to other countries, they will respect other's culture but not like mainland Chinese who think they are rich and then can do whatever they like with no respect of other countries.

7. Hong Kong people don't smoke like the mainland Chinese

8. Hong Kong people will never squat down to rest like the mainland Chinese

9. Hong Kong people don't talk like shouting to each other.

10. When a mainland Chinese see a black haired Asian's partner is a westerner or from other countries, they will return with curious look at the couple with unfriendly judgement or even whispered with each other rudely (I have experienced a lot when I was with my wife in China), but for Hong Kong people, they will never do that, it is just too common, they accept and respect other people.

11. Hong Kong people usually can speak good or at least a little English, but for mainland Chinese, they usually cannot.

12. Hong Kong people will not say how good China is today. For those who blad about how good China is are usually from mainland China. Also, for those who talk so loud about Taiwan and Hong Kong are part of China are usually mainland Chinese

13. Hong Kong people are not big liers like mainland Chinese. They are trust worthy in business.

14. For those who talk so loud about how bad Japan is, don't regret about the 2nd world war are usually mainland Chinese. You see, the movie Geisha, those mainland Chinese said they cannot accept Zhang Chi Yee played a Japanese Geisha, saying that's an insult of China. Can't they treat it as a movie only and without politics?

Jap

LOL Jap
Obviously biased opinions, but I do know what you mean. It's not a good idea to stereotype the people to an extend that makes you sound like a racist. I'm pretty sure you have come across a tiny little fraction of Chinese, probably while travelling, but not enough to say all Chinese are like this. There are a whole bunch of people from mainland with better and better education. Things will change; it's just a matter of time.

If I were to generalise people like you do and put my oberservations about the Hong Kong people all in one word, the word would be simply "FAKE". But I do respect that culture and appreciate why this is, and this is how I have come to making quite a good handful of good Hong Kong friends.

Instead of firing these "facts" at readers, why not try to come up with theories of why they do what they do?

With regard to the "popular" Chinese stance over the Japanese issues. It is not in our blood to hate the Japanese. I personally don't have a problem with them. It is the Communist government which are supposedly constantly creating tensions between the two nation - they supposedly sponsor protests in Shanghai against the Japanese government.

A significant amount of people in an authoritarian state such as China are likely to have been "brain washed" as they say.

Just think about it.

It's just politics, don't take it personally.

MY god chinese, hong kong japanese ur all the same to the outside world...please understand that....ur all asians.
So stop bickering like Europeans do and for god sakes unite u ass holes.

Well, Jiaxin from Shenzhen,

Just because you are from China, that's why you said such stupid things.

Yes, we should not generalised, but I tend to agree with what Jap said.

At least, Hong Kong people are not as selfish as most mainland Chinese.

We don't need to argue with theories here, it is just god damn too true that mainland Chinese gave that world bad impression, such as illegal immigrants, fake food (See, China produce fake food and export to the world, FAKE is the word for Mainland Chinese, not Hong Kong people), fake movies, fake books, fake products. What do you expect people of the world to think about China?

And for that stupid unknown person posted on January 26, 2006 11:30 PM, saying all asian are the same to the world?

Well, I feel extremely sorry to you, you are a true idiot! Go back to school! You are missing th point of discussion here.

Just a matter of time for Chinese to get improve? Well, I doubt that!

Amy

I agree with Amy and Jap. Just like Tibet, they are no doubt, being forced to become part of China, but they are all different people with different culture. And of course, Tibetian looks different from Chinese from China. And for those who think all Asian are the same, that's very stupid. Then what about all people with gold hair are the same then? All African are with black skin? Then what about those westerner in South American? People who think like this do not respect others.

And Jiaxin from Shenzhen, you disagree with all these comments because you are also from the mainland. Of course, you don't want to be insulted here, right?

Bert

I think Jiaxin is just like what Jap said about a typical mainland Chinese. He talk about how great China is, hahaha...

And I can see him constantly coming to this site, so, he has nothing to do??? He has so much time huh???

I hate the attitude of Taiwanese. They are so proud to be Taiwanese, they think Taiwan is a country, but their land still part of China.

That Jiaxin is mean. He said he made friends with Hong Kong people, then he said they are FAKE. I think the real FAKE person is him, who will talk bad things about one's own friends. Jiaxin you sucks.

I am an American. I lived in Hong Kong for 5 years, and China for another 5. I think Jap's description of Hong Kong people is quite true though.

Looser Jiaxin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For those who think all Asian are the same are really sick.

I think people from mainland China themselves cannot see their own problems. That's why they usually disagree other said how bad they are.

I LOVE chinese food. But I haven't been anywhere near china (closest being singapore). I'm a Canadian of east-indian decent. (yea, i can make up a top 10 list of a similar nature for india too! lol) but the bottom line is that we all have our problems... but that's what makes us human. Be proud of your heritage!

reading their postings here, i really think hong kong poeple are very DISGUSTING!
they claim they are different from chinese. but what i wanna tell you is that they are worse than chinese. they are all CANTONESE. and cantonese really sucks. very dirty, stupid, loud, and SNOBBISH, as you can see from their postings. of those wierd people living in china town, 90% of them are cantonese. their life style is like those in some fishing village. the whole street stinks. if you know history, you will know that 100 years ago hong kong is just a fishing village like that.
they prosper in the 80s because foreign country can only do business with china through hong kong because china closed its door to outside at that time. now they claim that they are another type different than chinese. it is just ridiculous.
if a japanese boasts to me that they made a lot of achievement, i will kindly agree. for hong kong people, you had better shut up your big mouth. whatever achievement you have ever made if any is due to the british people, their rule and technology. even today, hong kong does not have any high end manufacturing industry. i think the onky thing your guys can do is to make soma ding sum...haha...and eat some wierd cat and then all get SARS...fAKing stupid hong kong ese...you suck!

Are you sure that there is also the fact that they stretch their word like Mehoulaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
and the population man it's like over do
they should trade land with Russia.
oh the drivers are not the best and as a secret mabye suck

That person, named Mr. Cutting at January 29, 2006 12:19 PM. I think he is very bias. And actually, via my reading, there's no Hong Kong people here talking about how good themselves are, those opinions about Hong Kong people were posted by a Japanese person, named Jap.
Mr. Cutting, do you know what are you talking about here? To me, you don't even read properly here, so please don't confuse other readers.
If you hate people from Hong Kong, it is because you are very narrow minded and feeling insecure about yourself. You should be the one who go shut up.

The China town in Australia now live many mainland Chinese people. And I think it is getting more dirty now than before. It used to have many Hong Kong people there, it was better before.

I think Taiwanese people are wired, they think they have a country, but they are not. They call Taiwan a country, but indeed not. They are just being used by the US.

As a Canadian born Chinese, I do not agree with Liao Yusheng totally. I will say half correct. However, I think the person (he is called Mr. Cutting something, cannot really remember) who said Hong Kong people eat dogs and cats is not correct.
I run business with China and Hong Kong, wired food can only be found in mainland China. China people used to make me a soup called 'Dragon, Tiger, phoenix & turtle', and it was made with snake, cat, chicken and turtle. How disgusting.
On the other hand, Hong Kong serve excellent food.
His comments are very mean, and he obviously know nothing about Hong Kong.
He shows himself a real idiot full of jealousy here by saying things like that.

The most wired group of people on Earth is not Chinese, but Swedish! They are the only people who think they live in a paradise, they have many wired culture.

well, well, well, so many arguments here!

The world should be peaceful, we are all the same in this world.

We are from the same God, and God love us all.

Our ancestors are all from Africa actually.

The article is so bias.

Every country has its weakness and strength.

There is no definite right and wrong in the world. Too many grey areas.

I really want to laugh when I read the last few comments posted. I am not from China, not from Taiwan, not from Hong Kong, not from Japan. I am citizen of the world, and I disagree with Mr. Cutting saying Cantonese people are Hong Kong people. Cantonese people include people from Guangzhow. Cantonese is a dialects.
In addition, his comments do not have a point at all. True, he shows himself really uneducated and stupid.

The world without China and Taiwan will be a much more better place.

Oh, well, actually don't want to say anything, but I can see the people who post messages here to support mainland China, always use lots of swear words.
So, if you people from mainland China are so great, why use so many rude languages? Look at that Chang, Mr. Cutting who post messages here. They don't even know what is right and wrong!
Too brain washed already! What's a shame.
Liao Yusheng himself is a Chinese, and he also make bad comments about China.

I like Thailand, I like Korea, I like Japan, I like Macau, I like Hong Kong, I like India, I like Malaysia, I like Singapore, I like Australia, I like Indonesia, I like all Asian countries, but I don't like China.
The real meaning of China is -
Cheap Human being IN Asia.

Why China Sucks.
I promised this the other day, but here's my rundown of all the reasons why China sucks:

-- Communism.
-- Smog.
-- Violent pandas.
-- The Tiananmen Square Massacre.
-- Soybeans.
-- There's like, what? A billion Chinese? And maybe ten-- twenty, tops-- can say "Sally sells seashells by the seashore" even once without effing it up.
-- The Cultural Revolution.
-- Whose kidney do I have to harvest in order get enough egg in the egg drop?
-- They're small people.
-- Zhang Ziyi (because she doesn't know who I am).

Let's be honest: China sucks.

-- That stupid version of checkers they play.
-- The Chosin Reservoir.
-- How whenever you eat their food, in twenty minutes you're either hungry again and/or sleeping off the MSG.
-- Number of letters in English: twenty-six. Number of letters in Chinese: Avogadro's Number.

. . . and the biggest reason China sucks?

The Haier-brand Model HWF05XC5-T Air Conditioner.

Readers, the Garfield Ridge Command Center and Banquet Hall is located in my finished attic. It's a great space, but when the previous owners of my home finished the attic, they unfortunately didn't add any ventilation ductwork up here for my central air.

Since I moved in a year and a half ago, I've been able to make it by fine in the winter time with a small space heater, but last summer was positively brutal. Even with the one window open and a tower fan going full blast, it gets hot enough up here to cook pork. I assure you, it's quite an unpleasant environment to use my computer in. After all my suffering last year, I resolved to purchase an air conditioner for the attic before this summer kicked off.

Alas, summer's come a wee early to Virginia in 2005, with the mercury spiking past 80 degrees this last week. It's gorgeous weather-- outside my attic, that is. Time to pick up the air conditioner.

Thursday night, I stopped off first at Home Depot to discover they don't really sell many air conditioners there. A few models, sure, but all larger than I need-- it's a small attic, I don't need some 15,000 BTU behemoth.

So I went to Target instead, and saw their line of Haier-brand air conditioners.

Oh, you don't know who Haier is? Yeah, neither did I.

I later found out they're a giant Chinese industrial concern branching out into the American market.

10,000 political prisoners died to construct this building.

But hey, $79.99 for a 5,200 BTU window unit? Sure, it'll be crappy, but I don't need a great machine. Just something adequate, that's all.

I brought the Haier home and unpacked the box. I had to screw in the accordion curtains and safety guards, but it was all pretty easy.

When I set it up in my attic window, I realized that there wasn't enough support underneath the rear of the unit to keep it from plummeting two stories to the driveway below. No problem; I had a small wooden shelf that I never hung that did the trick, with a few screws drilled through it into my wooden windowsill.

I grabbed the A/C unit again, lifted it up, put it in the window. Adjusted the side curtains, brought down the top window, drilled in a safety brace to keep it from falling out. Plugged it in, went to turn the power dial. . . only to discover the power dial was missing.

Huh.

I looked around on the floor for the dial. After a bit of scrounging, I found the dial. When I inserted into the dial hole, I learned that the dial didn't come off, it broke off. Like, clean off, with knob post still in the dial.

Grabbing my floor lamp, I swung it to the dial hole to check how bad the break was. Yup, clean break.

Hmmm. Let me try needlenose pliers, see if I can't turn this sucker on.

Even though the clean break left absolutely nothing to grab a hold of, after a bit of jiggling, I got it to work. Ahhhh, cool air.

Okay, let's try to shut if off now. Pliers back in. . . a little pressure. . .

SNAP!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

Lights dim in my house. I can immediately tell that I'm probably about five seconds away from testing out my circuit breaker. Or worse, my fire insurance.

I unplug the air conditioner and ponder my dilemma.

I can't return the machine to the store, for by deduction, I was the one who snapped the dial in the first place, when I was twisting the unit on the floor while installing the side curtains. I can't get warranty coverage, either.

And now that I've probably broken the whole dial assembly with the pliers, well, I'm even more screwed.

Hmmmm. Let's unscrew this puppy, and see what I did. Maybe I can fix it?

I take apart the front of the A/C to reach the dial assembly. After taking out what must be twenty screws to get at the dial, I discover that I've not only snapped a few plastic guides by my actions, I've also snapped soldering apart.

Those Red Chinese bastards made the cheapest piece of electrical equipment I have ever seen in my life. Some parts weren't screwed together, or even soldered together, but *stuck* together, with some sort of goopy resin. I think Elmer's had more sticking power than the stuff they used.

After about an hour of dissection, I gave up trying to effect a workaround. It just wasn't going to happen.

Now what? Do I take the unit into a repair shop? Hell, at the very least, parts and labor will cost my $40-50, and take days to weeks, given that every little part in this power assembly is undoubtedly proprietary.

I could write Haier and ask for the parts I need, but again, more money and more waiting.

Or, I could just chalk it all up to sunk cost, and kiss my eighty bucks goodbye, especially since it's not getting any cooler in this attic.

It's scary to say that I've reached the point in my life that I can walk away from $80 just like that, but really, the opportunity cost of enduring more frustration is probably worth it alone.

I just miss the days when you could actually fix things by yourself. I know that the modern manufacturing age makes things so affordable by removing that luxury, but really, this shouldn't be so hard.

Damn China. They suck.

Don't mess with China, or get your ass kicked.

Peace

In the eye of an American, I dare say China is not the same as Hong Kong. Put it this way, all tourist books introduce Hong Kong differently. It is a small piece of land that used to reported to the United Kingdom, and now reported to China. Just simple as that.
Hong Kong is still a place as it used to be. It is called Hong Kong when it is governed by the UK, and still should be called Hong Kong now although it reported to China.
Yes, people will argue Hong Kong is part of China, so no difference, but if you say so, New Zealand, Australia and UK will be the same country then. Don't forget, Australia and New Zealand are still having the queen of UK as their head of country. Also Australians' ancestors are British prisoners. However, you cannot say New Zealand and Australia and UK are the same. And there's New Zealander, Australian and British in the world. New Zealander and Australian hold New Zealand and Australian passports, not British, and Hong Kong people hold Hong Kong passports, not China.
So, it is not correct to say Hong Kong is the same as China. No, no, no. Big mistake. Completely different people. Hong Kongers are not Chinese.
One thing I can point out here to tell the difference. We all know western countries' parents usually adopt baby girl from China because Chinese people just want boys, right? But we cannot say adopting baby girls in Hong Kong is common.

I lived in china for four years and to be honest it is the worst thing since Celine Dion. The people smell bad, no hot chicks, dirty everything, and they have really really screwed up toilets that splash all over you when you pee and kill your legs when you run big business

Instead of pointing their missiles at Taiwan, China should ram them up their a$$es

In Danmark, our Princess Alexandra is from Hong Kong, but we don't say she is from China. So, I think Hong Kong and China are different.

I know certain young people have a fantasy image of China, but life there pretty much sucks thanks to communism. Also, the government and people of China are too racist.
Thank God I live in America.

China's cool!!! Good country.
Coolest place on Earth!
We'll have Olympics in 2008. You will see.

What Mr. Cutting said is nonsense!!!
SARS was spreaded from China to Hong Kong. Not start in Hong Kong. China people eat strange animals and some caught SARS. Then, there was a Chinese professor who contacted with SARS patients in China also caught SARS. He went to Hong Kong to attend a wedding and he spreaded SARS to Hong Kong. Because the China government lied to the Hong Kong government so Hong Kong cannot be well-prepared for the disaster.

Now, many countries are trying to learn from Hong Kong to avoid SARS.

Mr. Cutting, you better read the Time Magazine and stop the bullshits here to confuse readers.

Big Looooooooooooooooooooooooser Mr. Cutting!!!!

This site should be closed down. And everyone can shut up!

UK is a combination of Scoland, Ireland and England. And thus, there's Scotish, Irish and English people. They are different, but they are just being called British.

Same as China, it is a combination of mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. They are different people, but they are just being called Chinese generally. There should be 3 groups of people here, that is, Chinese, Hong Konger and Taiwanese indeed.

It is just a matter of politics that confuse people of the world.

Its really simple, if it says made in China, don't buy. Stop helping the EVIL murderers that enslave over 1 billion people.

the next person to post a comment is a dumbass. why continue this argument unless you want some attention like the guy who started this tread anyway.

Can he reply to me why he even started this tread...i dont get it? Why?

Everyone knows china is a poor country why not say something bad about the russians...how they kidnap women into prostitution, drink too much vodka and dont earn enough money to eat at macdonalds. But why talk about china or russia. Why even talk about the world.

We all know whats going on out there, so why talk, this tread is sounding more like gloating than freedom of speech.

"Silence. For silence is the best solution, tis when you are in purgotory and not in danger."

I DONT LIKE CHINA. BUT WITHOUT THIS JUGGERNAUGHT WHERE WOULD THE FUEL COME FROM TO LIGHT THE TORCH OF DEMOCRACY. WALLMART ALONE IS CHINAS 8TH BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER IF IT WERE A COUNTRY. IMAGINE ALL THE AMERICANS OUT OF JOB IF THE CHINESE DIDNT EXIST. ALSO ALL THE AFFORDABLE PRICES WE SEE IN AMERICA IS A RESULT OF CHINA, OUR DOLLAR WOULD BE WORTHLESS IF SAY THE CHINESE BECAME AN ISOLATIONIST STATE ONCE AGAIN.

WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT CHINA IS OUR EVIL LITTLE BROTHER. WE CANNOT GET RID OF IT NOR CHNAGE IT, NOR ACCEPT IT. BUT WE CAN CHOOSE TO LIVE WITH IT.

everyone's diffrent so just shut the ef up okay?

thanks

i have to totally disagree with u, u are selfish and i dun think u know china enough to say that. shut the hell up then.

thnx

I would like to say that most of the 10 reasons are right on the mark. I would disagree about the food, but I might have lower standards.

I had the good fortune to get a scholarship to study at a Chinese university. It was by far the worst educational experience of my life.

The education was shameful. The apparant objective of our textbooks was not to teach us the Chinese language, but rather to brainwash us into loving the Chinese race and its noble virtues. It was lesson after lesson of blatant, shameful propaganda aimed at instiling the same nationalism in us as exists in the Chinese students. The style of education was also very retrograde with a teacher centred classroom relying on rote memorisation.

After much interaction with mainland Chinese people I must say my dislike and disgust goes far deeper than their lack of manners and and general uglyness. People have been thoroughly brainwashed by the government. Throughout all of their formal education people are taught militant nationalsim. They are taught terrible things about Japan and are taught little about the outside world. The longer people stay in the educational system, the more brainwashed they become. People, especially students, are only able to parrot the government's propaganda on issue after issue. The more people I talked to, the more boring it got. For a non-political test of how indoctrinated a given person is ask them about Hangzhou. If they tell you it is beautiful, they are fully brainwashed because Hangzhou is just as ugly as any other Chinese city.

The Chinese government has given people the idea that they live in the most advanced and dynamic country in the world. They believe that they enjoy a high standard of living and that they live in a free society. I don't need to waste my time explaining why this is ridiculous. Unfortunately, this gives people, especially students, a certain arrogance that is as unbearable as it is undeserved.

The sad reality is that behind the impressive new tall buildings (many of which are empty... look at Chengdu or any other provincial capital or Dongmen in Shenzhen the list goes on...) the quality of life in China is still very bad and the government is worse.

I HAVE READ THE MAJORITY OF THESE POSTINGS AND HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. AS A CANADIAN BORN CHINESE IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO INSULT CHINA THEN I AM GOING TO DEFEND IT. FIRST OF ALL MANY OF YOU PEOPLE ARE FULL OF IGNORANCE, ARROGANCE AND HATRED.
EVEN THOUGH CHINA IS A COMMUNIST COUNTRY, THE REASON BEHIND IT IS THAT THIS IS THE BEST GOVERNMENT...FOR NOW. LET ME EXPLAIN, CHINA'S HISTORY IS FILLED BY CIVIL WAR SINCE THE DYNASTY PERIODS FOR THE RULE OVER THE MOTHERLAND OF CHINA. IF CHINA WERE DEMOCRATIC, CHINA WOULD BE DIVIDED DUE TO SEPERATISTS SUCH AS THE TIBETANS OR MANCHURIANS. COMMUNISM IS WHAT IS HOLDING CHINA TOGETHER AND THE GOAL IS TO UNIFY CHINA INTO ONE. FOREIGNERS HAVE INVADED CHINA IN THE PAST AND HAVE TRIED TO DIVIDE CHINA. WHAT CHINA IS TRYING TO DO IS PIECE EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER. HONG KONG AND MACAU HAVE RETURNED TO CHINA AS SPECIAL ADMINISTRATIVE REGIONS AND HOLD DEMOCRATIC STATUS DUE TO THE ONE CHINA-TWO POLICY RULE. TAIWAN IS ANOTHER STORY, IMAGINE HAVING YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS DECLARING THAT THEY ARE NOT APART OF YOUR FAMILY AND THEN DECIDE WHAT WOULD THE REST OF THE FAMILY DO TO BRING THEM BACK TOGETHER IN THIS SITUATION. THEY WOULD CERTAINLY USE FORCE. IT IS POSSIBLE FOR TAIWAN TO JOIN CHINA AND BECOME A DEMOCRATIC PROVINCE SUCH AS HONG KONG AND MACAU.
IF THE USA STICKS THEIR NOSES IN AND PROVOKE CHINA TO GO TO WAR THEN ENTER WORLD WAR 3. THE CHINESE OUTNUMBER THE USA 4-1 AND IF NUKES ARE INVOLVED THEN USA GOT GREAT BRITAIN BUT CHINA HAS NORTH KOREA, IRAN AND RUSSIA BY THEIR SIDE.
YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO ALSO CONSIDER HAVING A GOVERNMENT TRYING TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL 1.3 BILLION PEOPLE. DEMOCRACY WOULD BE CHAOS AND DON'T TELL ME THE UNITED STATES ARE THE LEADERS IN THE WORLD FOR DEMOCRACY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT WHAT HAS COMMUNIST CHINA DONE TO THE WORLD OTHER THAN SHARE ITS CULTURE. THE UNITED STATES, THE LEADERS OF DEMOCRACY START WARS WITH AFGANISTAN, IRAQ AND ALMOST EVERY COUNTRY AROUND THE WORLD. THEY WERE THE FIRST COUNTRY TO EVER USE AN ATOMIC WEAPON IN THE HISTORY OF THIS EARTH ON JAPAN. YES THE USA ARE THE GREAT ROLE MODELS. AFTER SAYING THIS WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE GIVING CHINA YOUR HATE. YOU SAY CHINESE PEOPLE ARE DIRTY AND RUDE, ITS BECAUSE MANY OF THEM ARE POOR. (HAVE YOU SEEN HOMELESS PEOPLE IN YOUR AREAS BEFORE?) YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY GO THROUGH AND NEVER WILL SO SHUT THE FUCK UP. THE USA GOVERNMENT IS JUST AS CORRUPT AND POLLUTE THE WORLD EVEN MORE. CHINA IS SIGNED INTO THE KYOTO PROTOCOL AND THE USA ARE NOT.
ANOTHER NOTE CHECK OUT EVERYTHING YOU OWN, THEY ARE ALL MADE BY CHINESE PEOPLE. YOU SHOULD RESPECT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN WORSER CONDITIONS THAN YOUR SPOILED ASSES.

China does suck. I hope all this hoopla about them being this emerging world market and such fizzles away. China is good for one thing though: pirated softare.

have been to china many many times over the years for work I can sympathize with the thread starter. china sucks in a myriad of ways. happily I no longer have to go there and can say good riddance!

yup, china sucks. fact of life. but that would be OK if it left its problems to itself. unfortunately it likes to use its clout to bully and harm others
- cultural genocide in Tibet
- continued hunger for power in Taiwan (a democracy who does not vote themselves to be consumed by china. duh!)
- wars with several of its neighbours in the last few decades
- pollution problems crossing its borders
- the elite in power bully, rob from, and oppress their own people

And now it is getting richer. That is scary for Asia and probably the rest of the world.

only chinese from china like to yell so much until people around think they are deaf
they only yell at each other between china chinese n china chinese coz their ear is full of shit
they like to talk in gang
like other people got ban
reality they juz like to yell bullshit

As a Chinese, I had really bad feeling when I see people talking about China like that.I just dont know why u hate China so much......

well, as we all know Chinese does talk loudly, from the NorthAmerican perspective the chinese does "yell" sometimes. but is just because of their custom. when u say China is polluted, poor, Bad architecture and design, slow speed Internet, or some big cities are kind of dirty and lots of poor people etc~~ well, is all ture. but don't forget, China is still a developeing Country! Compare with developed country like u guys are living, CHINA DOES SUCK! But I really dont understand, where u get the word "evil" to describe China, and what does the Chinese food, Chinese people, their language and even panda bears to do with it. It seems u just hate everthing about China. Why? Just because we are are different? We ARE from different culture and different custom, but it doesn't make sense as a reason of hating China. It is hard when everybody around against u, It is sad when there is nobody understand u... While chinese people are trying so hard to build a new China, whether u like china or not, China still rises...

China does not deserve the 2008 Olympics.

Can't anyone remember the recent history of China? The West, for many years, had dubbed the country "Red China". You don't hear that too much anymore, particularly in the U.S.

Not that the United States has many problems, but it is paradise compared to China. I have only been to Hong Kong (twice) many years past, in service to my country.

I don't think one has to even visit China to get an impression of it. To be vague purposely, 90 % of Chinese society and/or everyday life, is hidden from the West. However, there are the few that express concerns about anything which appears to be representative of 21st century human rights in this country of 1.5 billion.

I am sure if you could give the average Chinese person a "taste" of democracy, imagine what they could do with it. We would all be better off, if this country with a rich and magnificent past would be able to experience true democracy.

Having the Olympics games staged in 2008 Beijing, will be that, just a "stage". A stage to the world of Chinese creativity, culture, and what will appear to be athletic superiority.
All this boasting and hubris cannot mask the dreadful nature under which people there must endure.

China's psyche and "back" would be broken if there was a boycott by the major and emerging nations of the world. The U.S. should do everything imagineable to boycott the Beijing Olympics. Every concerned and free citizen, wherever they may be, should speak to their government representatives. Even if it means sanctions against the IOC, the world should not tolerate this colossal "athletic" farce.

Perhaps the boycott of the Moscow Olympcs in 1980 did prove something. That communism and totalitarianism are not compatable with building a better world for the 21st century - one only needs to remember what happened after the Berlin Olympics of 1936 - beware!

HELL YA! Totaly Agree! All these new sars, bird flu, and mad cow shit originated i china because they live like animals. Plus jobs are being taking away from us and shipped over to china, i suggest the government should put a tax on products that are made in china so its not worth it to ship all the jobs to china. Its really smart to buy all there shit and make them rich, lets face it all that money is going to come back in bullets in 20 years. Ill be prime age for a soldier and will probably die. Or the idiots who have no regard for human life will start a nuclear war which will result in the end of humanity. These predictions are not far off, you may think NO WAY, but do some research, china is buying all the scrap steel they can for some reason... people are stunned, if they would just open there eyes and see what is happening. China HATES north America, they always have...we are making them rich...then one day BOOM, story finished forever.

The reason so many people from the west hates china is simply because of fear of the rise of a more powerfull country that don't give a shit about human rights and have no value for one man's life. Period. It's not because of the food, or how clean the city is, or anything else. It's plain fear. However, I wouldn't say the US bush administration + war on more than 15 different countries in the past 50 years is any better than the current China communism. Anyway that's my opinion so feel free to bash it!

Alot of posts on this website are by the most uneducated people on this planet. Do you really think by posting a paragraph about how much you hate China is really going to make a difference in anything. Hating an entire country is complete racism. Noone is perfect.

Fear leads to hate. Alot of you people are scared. When China rises and becomes a superpower equal to that of the USA or more. Then the table will be turned and karma will come full circle.

Can someone recommend a web site that discusses "Why Russia sucks" or "Why France sucks"?

I'm curious to see if other countries come in for the same kind of comments as the "Why China sucks" blog.

Dude China sucks ass!! Dude u should move to America. Even though I've never been to China, I believe totally that you people in China are retards for not rebelling more against your Communist government. Plus its pretty sad that you guys work for like ten cents a day.

Everyone is different, u cant say that about a population. Thats just like saying that all Americans are snobs and fat-asses. Sterotyping is bad, sure china has its down sides (im chinese by the way)but it has alot of postives to. China isnt the longest lasting civlization for nothing. I can say just as many bad things about china as good things, same as bad things too good things about amercia. However i do agree that there is to much rasism going on here.

To All the People that think China sucks: have u ever meet a family that was so poor that they could only afford ONE pair of pants. In the coldest parts of China theres no farms or livestock, when member goes out and labors while the others stay in the blankets, i have. Also i doubt all those that crtize china have even been there. Yes u have ur opinon, but plz plz plz bac it up.

P.S. not all street venders suck theres just as many good ones as small ones.

btw anyone gets angry if one talks about there country badly, for example go to: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344855/posts about
"top 10 reasons why amerca sucks"
also when i say "P.S. not all street venders suck theres just as many good ones as small ones"
i meant bad

Well, I think the list has some biased to it, but I agree with some things...

About Japan having everything in their textbook (one of the comments), it's wrong. I know countries modify their textbooks, but Japan portrayed their war criminals, "heroes." That's downright wrong! Also, they still show respect to the politicians, generals who decided to massacre Koreans, Chinese, etc and attack The US. Wow...It's like Germans paying respect to Hitler... (which they would NEVER DO!!)

Well, anyways, about China, I can't comment on the country itself, but I have only interacted with Chinese in Canada. The funny thing I found was that my mandarin friends are less cocky about China than Cantonese. I don't know if it's because mandarins in Canada were smart enough to see communism was wrong, or they are all like that, but that was surprising.

O and the China's good things list is BS in my opinion. Japan, and other Asian countries were much faster in doing that. Also, it's incredible how biased it is, as it only shows the good parts of China.

That is so true! I lived here in China for nearly three years and I must agree with those points. Especially the part with those dirty old schmucks. The Chinese people are literally barbarians! I think the only reason China is attractive is because of its business values, otherwise i dont know who the hell would come to this hellhole! I think the air is shortening my life span! Anyways one thing is clear: CHINA REALLY DOES SUCK! IF YOU PEOPLE DISAGREE TRY LIVING IN BEIJING FOR MORE THAN 5 YEARS!

I lived and taught in China for more than five years, and every one of those years was a trial on my sanity and my life.

Most mainland Chinese--not all--would gleefully cut your goddamn foreign throat if its government mandated it do so.

I am not going to note the rudeness as others have done, but I will note the incredible hatred they have for foreigners and for any Chinese that dares to socialize with a foreigner beyond the English lesson scenario.

It is a rabid hatred, and yes, I can hear all the historical babble about foreigners, but goddammit, this is 2006! If it wasn't for those foreign investors and corporations, China would be in such a fuck up economic pickle, but it still will be in a pickle when its sorry ass banks start raking the scum from its terrible credit rating and its leadership absconds with the savings of people there.

Don't worry. They'll blame it too on the foreigners. Remember we are spiritually corrupt.

God, I am glad I got the fuck out of that hell hole of cesspool of a trash fucking nation.

My Chinese wife took all kinds of shit from those moronic retards, and I don't give a shit what another high-gloss Times/Newsweek article says about up and fucking coming China or about the Olympics in Beijing (still haven't gotten over that one!), I know from my nightmare experience that China truly does suck wholeheartedly.

Please Mister President withdraw our troops out of Iraq, and put them in Mainland China, or better yet, do a pre-emptive strike and nail Bill Gates when he's there!

Every country has is own problem to face~ China sucks? maybe in some cases~ USA sucks? that's ture~ why don't everyone shut the fuckup and think about your own problem?

Let's say The whole World Sucks~~~

Big loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosers!!!!!!!

it is sad I am here watching people to wreak their anger on nation and its whole people. it is also really sad that a bunch of offensive and rude comments were coming from well-educated so- called instructors or aristocratic ,upper-class white American people. I give me a head shock to make a sure if I am dreaming. unfortunately I am not, it;s the real thing.it seems that most noblest westerners here are only able to make a reactive response when they get something. I don't want to argue that what real china and chinese culture is, the only thing I can say is please ,please be god-like while acting god, and please don't be rude when you tale about rudeness of other groups. give me a break ,smart guys.

hi , Taiwaness and Hongkongness, I am so sorry to hear that you guys are genetical chinese, I can understand you fell insulted because westerners say they are not good. what a pleasure it is if you guys are eventually able to throw away your root identity, since many white budy are discriminating againist them. it is my first time got this story, really enjoy.

chinese people suffer from communism not because we want suffering,it's because we havn't had opportunities to make our own desicion so far.it;s ok if you can realize root cause, but it is really unacceptable you judge the whole group only based on governing party which can not represent this group. Discrimination has a long history in north America , a hundred year ago , mainly aim at balck man, now, chinese.
I really got a question, what the hell makes you guys to be so eager to show your superiority complex by stompping another nation and its people

Need improvement.

I mean nice work, almost good enough to fool those foreigners who never been to China or have no judgement. But I have to point out some points that are clearly biased.

#2. So people speak dialects of Chinese, like they did for thousands of years. What's wrong with that? It's like saying Austrian isn't a good place because they don't speak American English.

#3. Simplified Chinese is abomination? Writen Chinese has been simplifed thoughout the ages. If you want "classy Chinese", go read Oracle Bones.

Any way, good job. You successfully provoked hatred towards China. People belive your lies and even make up lies for you.

Like it or not, China is a power. Can Taiwan declear indepence? NO, You dare not!

Stop force on Taiwan! Why chinese people like war? I really don't understnad it!!!

FOR PEOPLE FORM PRChina!!! IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TAIWAN! THEN PLEASE SHUT UP!

SOTP WAR!!!

even not all chinese support communist, but no chinese support independence of taiwan.simply because that is our whole people's land.nationality is beyond ideology. and besides,guess what taiwaness, we don;t really care about you. you can be anything you want, westerner, foreginer or what ever except for chinese. but do not take our land away. you just can't.stop fucking barking, that's useless

what joey said is nonsense!!! yaya, just like what u have said~~~~"In the eye of an American"
Yeah "In the eye of an fuckin stupid American"!!!! That explain all!!!

I think people who posted here have very little sense of humor.

that is funny :)

Obviously, you aren't educated as well. CHinese people aren't very educated because they have no money as if it's there fault. I don't want to post comments on this dumb, stupid site anymore :-P

Jealous because China has a growing economy or an unique, exciting lifestyle instead of your dull one? Posting websites about hating countries, I mean, O please. Keep it to yourself!

I bet 95% of you haven't been to china. I was born and have grown up in china (city of hangzhou) and lived there for 12 years.

China threats this china threats that. the usa is a larger threat than china you fools. the usa has 6000 nukes compared to 400 for china. the usa spends $400+ billion on military, thats more than china, japan, russia, france, germany and britain combined. the usa has 12 CVBG around the world with dozens of foreign military bases, china has no CVBG and no military base outside of its own soil. Do some research before you pull random shit out of your ass.

Communism that communism this, I say communism my ass. I don't like the communist party very much (my grandfather was a landlord during the cultural revolution not that most of you would no what that meant), but I don't want a regime change right now. the CCP isn't really communist if you haven't figured it out. Does a true communist nation grow at 10% per yr economically or have the second most skyscrappers in the world? China is unified, strong and growing, and most chinese people support that. most chinese people just don't give a shit about democracy, they just want better lives and with the economy increasing at 10% each yr, only idiots would want a regime change.

Yes the human rights in china isn't so good. But look at the USA, it was only until the 1960s the blacks were treated equal as whites. Thats about 190 years after the founding of the United states. The chinese republic was only founded 95 years ago.

China might not be clean or it still has a lot of peasants, but remember china is still a developing nation. Was the USA clean in the early 1900s when it was a developing nation?

FYI taiwan is part of china. The usa says so, so does japan, france, germany, russia, india, UK, brazil, canada, etc. Go to google and look up "one child policy."

Enough already

Give me one country (or as China has sometimes be called - a civilization, disguised as a nation) that has not commited genocide. seriously.

The 'pilgrims' went to the USA and their diseases that they brought with them killed far more than their guns. Its the story of history - the spanish killed thousands, as did the portuguese - african civilizations fought each other and killed thosands too. Irish and English coming to australia, well then - here comes that bubonic plague to wipe out three quaters of the population of these peoples.

And lets not forget women de zhongguo. yehaw - this civilization IS a colonial power in all other names. Get over this fanatical Aiguo complex and look at it. China with the Hun people DOES NOT include Yunnan, Tibet, Manchuria, Xinjiang, Mongolia. You think those people see themselves as having a place in the hun-sentric China? Isnt that racism? isnt that apartheid? Jesus fucking christ - you go on about China being more progressive than USA in ethnic rights - you reduce the ethnicities to a theme park in Beijing! Completely disrespectful!
My point is, to the world, China is just one big ol block country, united except for the (realistically - another country) Taiwan issue. The trueht being, their exporting their excess population to the homelands of pround and noble civilizations - the Tibetans, The Uigurs, the Mongolians, and breeding them out - replacing them - enforcing a culture that isnt theirs onto them. Reminds me of my countries White Australia Policy - at least we see the error. OK - maybe it isnt to that extreem, but that IS colonialism.

Imperial Japan is a tragety of cultural manipulation brainwashing a generation. It was horrible the attrocities that they commited. But what of the cultural manipulation and brainwashing that the CCP gave the chinese? that is an equat tragety, resulting in an equal amount of massacres.
I have one thing to say to China. Get over it - cos the black hatred i saw in China is the uglyest thing i have ever seen.
What do you want exactly? they give you aid, they apologise - do you want them to kowtow to you? huh? and your emperor Mao? what do you want! do ytou want to do a 'rape of nanjing' to Tokyo? cos thats the impression i get from most young male students in Beijing. That is just as sick.

So lets say one thing.
its not people that suck - its nationalism. The nationalism in china makes me fucking sick, as Mr Sun xenophobic bigot Zhongshan has put established.

FYI - of course the superpowers say that taiwan is part of China - they wouldnt want the big ol HU Jintao telling them that they cant have any cookies - they want the exports - cheap ones.

Taiwan - lets just leave it as it is - it is independednt anyway, it takes advantage of the Chinese market - and as long as China leaves it that way, itll be fine. But the big egotistical PR of C want more, dont it. lets hope not.

OK - you dont want a regime change. I can understand that - there is growth, and the chinese people deserve the good life. hell, everybody deserves the good life.

But one word my friend.

The oil wont last forever. In fact, its got a 25 year lifespan, ey? USA and China will have to accept the fact that they arnt gonna get all the cars they want.

So grow up Sun Zhongshan - get over this aiguo complex, cos nationalism is one of the most fucked up things in the world, and continuously succeeds in convinsing good people to kill each other.

"a person is smart. people are dumb, stupid panicky animals and you know it".

This movement scares me - mob justice is brutal and easily corruptable.

A nation that went through the horror of the cultural revolution should know this.

But therin lies the problem. they say people who do not know their past are condemned to repeat it. With the state censorship of information within China, how can people learn of their past, the unbiased and honest truth, and draw these lessons?

Um...for all those people who say Chinese people suck...well so do you. You guys are all a bunch of morons. First of all, the Chinese language is a hell of a lot more complicated than the English language and thats why simplifying the characters make sense, as time goes on. How the hell do you simplify English, when it's already pretty damn simple? Jeez. And okay, about the eating dogs thing, why the fuck are chickens any different than dogs? Or cows, lambchops, etc? You people are idiotic hypocrites.

Oh...and also. A billion chinese people. Obviously there's gonna be pollution. What the hell do YOU think? the government is on the verge of creating more ecological-friendly buildings and service stations as we speak. So shut up. And besides. Taiwan was never independent and still isn't. They're still Chinese, even if they don't wanna admit it. I wonder how long they're gonna keep kissing The United State's ass and pray for their help. Hmm.

Taiwanese are chinese are they? Han you mean. China is really just The Unites States of Hanland.
So, common genetics makes a nation Sherry? Uh NO. wrong. Im irish, genetically, but does that make me part of Ireland. NO.
ok, lets try another approach. Common culture makes a nation - has more credence to it, but wait. Culture can change, can't it - wasn't that part of the basis for the cultural revolution? OK - lets look at Taiwan. It was colonised by Chinese, - Hakka and Han really (the term 'chinese' is as misleading as the term 'terrorist', or 'asian' or 'arab'). Who, seen as the straits oceanography is pretty turbulant, were stuck - it was a pretty hard voyage. So, they pretty much were in isolation, where the people had vague conseptions that they were from China, but they didnt really carethat much - their culture mattered deeply to them, but it went its on its seperate development. China mainland was rotting under its own corruption centuries before the european colonisation (thought that didnt help), and was constantly at war. So the Taiwanese didnt really give that much of a shit about the mainland. Sure they were affiliated, but hell, when it comes to politics, it can rot. Then its taken by the Japanese - new culture and isolation is imposed. people are given an imposed cultural identity, yet for the first time ever, they were given something that the mainland never gave them - sustainable infrastructure development (sucks when the facts bite you in the arse dont it sherry - china has enough internal issues to deal with). So anyway, after they left Taiwan, Taiwanese culture, and therefore taiwanese identity was far different to the mainland, whom had been under moaist brainwashing for decades to become happy little west-hating automotons. So, then the nationalists flee to taiwan, impose a brutal 'republic of china' regime. christ was it repressive, but in the end, it evolved into an economicly successful nation, and in the 80s, made contact with china again. now, think of this. 200 years of seperate development - genetically similar, yet culturally divided. They realised they were their own nation when their long divided relatives and themselves just didnt get along. So they went back a little sad, yet they knew that their identity was seperate from that of china.
Now enter china's development - the chinese love of cash and investment (all insustainable and based on smoke and mirrors - never make the mistake of thinking that it is a genuine rise). Of course Taiwan wants in - the entire world wants in! so they stay part of china as a sham, namesake move anyway, and they can do business with mainland chinese for the first time.
Economics sucks, but it is economics that is keeping this Han-ocrasy together.
The thig is though, Taiwan wants the mainland to recognise that iot has a seperate and unique identity, that it is self-sufficient, and not groveling for governments handouts and economic consessions. the people are proud, and eserve respect for who they are. And china does not go for that, cos that may lead the road for political indipendence, which would lead the way for china to fragment. hong kong definatley wants out - so does tibet and xinjiang. so china builds up its military and embarks on a propoganda program through the government owned CCP to instill a solid sence of nationalism into every citizen. If taiwan sets a toe loose, then BANG! no more taipei. but think about it, before 9/11, the CIA, MI5 all figured that the next major war would be fought by the taiwan strait. It china agresses, then japan will be brought in. ad that';ll bring in usa in, and pow.
China fragment? never!

so think. what does it mean to be independent, cos if you think about it, Taiwan was independent long ago. What it lacks is recognition.

So, for gods sake all of you - think! dont parrot everything your told

Taiwan as an independent nation - or sovereign nation. Cos sherry, it is independent. its not sovereign. even the CCP says that.

you guys are fucking dumbasses, taiwan belong to china and it always been. you people should get out of your mom's ass and look at the reality, somtimes i really wish china nuked taiwan, pieces of shit with shitless people that only talk the talk on the internet

Mike.
Im from Australia.
Im not even Chinese.
You are a fool.
If people like you are to be future leaders i weep for the future.

Peace Out
Laurie

I've tried to reason with you people, but it has become clear to me that this blog has become a forum for racist nationalist slur.
You're all pathetic. I really feel sorry for you - and i hope you all grow up once day and just realise that people are people are people.
The only person i feel sorry for is Liao Yusheng, who just set this up as an innocent joke on the idiocycraticies of China.

Kudos man

Pease Out

Laurie

This is a silly BLOG. I dislike the Chinese for their general rudness. But while most American's have better manners they are just as dump if not worse. They elected this moron of a president twice!

The Chinese cannot be trusted, the government that is. What we are doing in Iraq is misguided and wrong but we hope to leave a free nation (cough, cough, remember Vietnam) behind when we eventually leave (cough, cough, until we get their oil). The only good communist is a D%@d Communist.

Chinese is not what I would call a pretty or sensual language. It always sounds like they are yelling to me.

There government will fall just like all of them do that supress their people and the internet will be one catalyst of that. I would rather promote India, Vietnam or Indonesia then China anyday.

China is a beautiful country except most of the Chineses are disgraced people.
They cheat each other and selfish...
China needs to learn that the world is much bigger than what they think.

I am a Chinese studying in the states. I would say I have a love and hate feeling with my country. Some of the comment here about China like-dirty,polluted,lack of patience, honking, yell and especially lying and cheating get my nerves all the time as well. But I think it has a lot to do with the density of the country. If we triple American's population and shrink the livalbe space by 3 times, American's manner probably wouldn't be much better.

Some people think we are rude. Well, there are 1.3 billion of us. Some of you short stay in China can't justify the comment. Majority of my friends are warm hearted, easy going,open minded and humerous people. We are trying to catch up with the rest of the world and being a better neighbor. I am very pround of my country and people!

YOU ARE SICK.

YOU MENTIONED THAT IF YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS START DECLARING THEMSELVES AS NOT PART OF THE FAMILY THEN YOU WOULD USE FORCE TO BRING THEM BACK IN.

MY SAY IS THAT YOU USE LOVE.

I'M SORRY BUT YOU ARE SERIOUSLY SICK IN YOUR MIND. BUT I CANT BLAME YOU FOR BEINMG BORN INTO A VIOLENT FAMILY

And please dont make china sound like a victim....

China (the evel) went into Vietnan to break it up as well..If the chinks had minded their own business and leave Vietnan alone then Vietnen would not be in such a sorry state today.

I know you would argue that USA went into the war as well, but if china didnt import communism into vietnan, then all these shit wouldnt be happening

FYI taiwan is part of china. The usa says so, so does japan, france, germany, russia, india, UK, brazil, canada, etc. Go to google and look up "one child policy."
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Excuse me, France and Germany call Taiwan a "de facto sovereign state" which means they regconise Taiwan to be independent but didnt want to do start any wars with China by making an official statement/ stand on this issue. But you can probabbly guess how they feel about Taiwan vs. China. My German relatives used to laugh at how silly Chinese are when they say Taiwan is a province of China when Chinese Presidents need obtain a diplomatic visa from Taiwanese goverment in order to visit Taiwan (of course flying via another country).

Think: Are the chinese kidding themselves when they say Taiwan is part of china??

Japan Stood up for Taiwan and stated as a nation that Taiwan (then called Formosa) was ceded to Japan in an 18th Century treaty which means that Taiwan had belonged to Japan for 200 years and if Japan is not making any noise regarding Taiwan's sovereignity then what rights do china have to say anything??

USA has refused to alknowledge Taiwan is part of China and is in fact supporting Taiwan by warning China that a war with Taiwan is a war agianst the world. Why do you think the USA is supplying Taiwan with war weapons?

Again, commie, please stop deceiving yourselves.

I dunno how the other nations stand against this.

You people take those 10 points far too seriously.

But please do keep yelling, this is so much fun to watch.

you 10 list of why china sucks is something that came out of a 12 year old taiduer, please do the world a favor by killing your self.

you're all stupid.

and racist.

and generalists.

I am Canadian, I am Hong Kong Chinese, and I hold a British passport (although I rarely get a chance to use that antiquated piece of crap) and I despise the Chinese government with a burning passion. I hope they suffer, and I hope they burn in hell for their sins. Bless democracy and freedom.

To HuJinTao,

Stop those responsible for persecuting, torturing, and harvesting the organs of Falun Gong practitioners.

Mr. Right

you guys, seriously, what is so bad about China? Of course there's more poor people because it's still a developing nation. It's going to change drastically in 50 yrs.

Liao yusheng, you're a twit who hates your own country and even ridicules it. All the others, except a few like Sun Zhong Shan, are ignorant folks who choose to blabber out stuff without knowing what they're talking about. Most of you probably don't know that Sun Zhong Shan was the person who started the republic of China in 1912. Its funny that the "Sun Zhong Shan" who posted here was named after him or simply put in a fake name.

The Communist Party still governs China, but the country is not really communist. Would a communist country grow at 8-10% a year economically? During Chairman Mao's 27 years, people could not threaten or diss the government or start their own businesses, but the next Chairman Deng Xiao Ping took actions to make China a capitalist country. Now the Chinese economic system is very similar to that of the US thank you very much.

Reading this, it seems like the whole world hates China. But right now, many could argue that the US is the most hated country in the world. Unlike the US, China does not deal with affairs of other countries or try to be like an "international cop." Israel is trying to take over land of the Islamic countries and the US is aiding Israel which explains Asama Bin Laden and all that crap.

For those of you who want the US to go to war with China, it's not possible. China has the atom bomb, H-bomb, 4 times more people, and much more. The US also depends a lot on the Chinese goods, which are cheap and good quality.

And Taiwan is part of China, no question. When the Communist Party took over, the Republicans fled to Taiwan, but they never declared independence, cuz if they did, China would squash them flat. Hong Kong was returned to China by UK on 7/1/97, so there's no question whether Hong Kong's part of China either.

Life in China may not be as good as life in the US, but in China, there are much more job opportunities. In the US 5 out of 10 people own a car, but in China only 1 out of 10 people own a car. But because car ownership percentage is low, it'll grow much faster than it does in the us. So you can start a car business and then you could make a lot of money. This is only one example. There are others things where many Chinese can't afford at this time but they probably will later so then whoever starts more of that industry could be very successful. Also, china has 4 times more people, so you can get customers way more easily. Now enough of my explaining and do some research or go to China if you want to learn about it.

廖雨笙，你这个笨蛋，作了这个破网站，说中国不好，你还是个中国人吗？

你既然觉得中国那么不好，难道你活着不觉得羞耻吗？你最好回到一个外国妈妈的肚子里，再生一次，就不用当个中国人了。

well, its nice to have someone respond in an intelligent manner.

Someone, i truely agree with you. In many aspects you are right - China is a developing nation. The Chinese people, and minorities (the internal politics of minority management in China truely is confusing), all deserve the good life.

The problem comes, however, from when people just say CHINA this, CHINA that. you have to remember that China is roughly the same size as europe, has 1/5 of the world's population, and is so culturally, linguistincally and ethnically diverse (contrary to popular opinion, the Han people are hardly a homogenous people - its like comparing ukrainians to english). You have to understand that this is the territory of the Qing dynasty attempting to transform itself into a nation-state. And its having a lot of trouble doing so.

The west is often quick to point out that China has terrible human rights record. This is true, but you have to remember, that one of the primary human rights is the RIGHT TO EAT. Far from the stupid and centrally planned idea's of Mao Zedong (hero or satan incarnate - think of him what you will), which led to the death of over 200 million, the current China, led by Hu Jintao, is reforming itself into a market economy, which, abiding by sinicized rules of local economics, and shrewed planning by the CCP, has led to the improvement of the lives of 1.3 billion people.

Isn't that a worthy cause?

Coming to the primary issue, which is probobly the sorest point - is the economics of China's rise. By utinizing the masses of Chinese labour, a lack of labour laws (despite being members of the Inernational Labour Organization, and signatories to the Convention of the Rights of Child), much of US production, facilitated by globalization, has outsourced to China, leaving the US with unemployment crisis.

Im not going to go on saying 'i hate us this, i hate us that', like so many people, but the main thing is, (and i know this is a cliche) that the USA has shot itself in the foot, and that is the truth of the matter. Economic imperialism by the Cold War victors (which, incedently, led to the CIA instaling a dictator state in Chile - the USA is the only country charged with terrorist activities by the UN - it has yet to pay the fine), and the neo-libertal capitalism that they have pushed on much of the world has led to their own jobs - farming, production, textiles, ect, going overseas. The USA has no right to complain, it merely has to learn humility.

Now, to the issues that are also sore.

Taiwan

Why does everybody care so much?
(and no - Taiwan is part of China! is not an answer. It is repetition)

Seriously. Just leave it as it is now. So. Chiang Kai-Shek (who everyone in 大陆 （对阿 - 我是一个洋鬼子会说汉语）hates, why i dont really know) fled there, (he was the successor to Suz Zhong San - thats right, i do know who that is, although he is more commonly known in english as Sun Yat-Sen) fled there. Initially repressive on the Japanese island, gradually, Taiwan grew in isolation and was a thriving democracy.
So, meanwhile, Mao stops his policy i the Gang of Four (with Mao the 5th member) of destroying culture in any form, and killing anyone that looked at him funny (see what he did to Lin Biao, Zhao Enlai, and Deng Xiaoping each far better men than he was). China gets powerful, takes Tibet, East Turkistan, and then wants taiwan back.

This is not biased, its just what happened. So, you have three people claiming Taiwan. Japan, 大陆，和那个国明党). Taiwan is freaking out, asks the USA for help. Hence the current crisis.

So - here's is a solution. Just say 'its part of China' and leave it at that. Taiwan, for all intensive purposes, leads its own path - linked to China, semi-autonimous. It does not have sovereignty though. And lookey here China! the Pan-Blue coalition won! that means Taiwan LIKES china. well, the chinese anyway. So stop being fucks. leave it.

As for the US playing world policeman. i dont advocate unilateral intervention. But Humanitarian Intervention is the key to world society in the future. Nations can't get away with attrocities anymore. BUT. VERY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE US FOREIGN POLICY IS FUCKED.
Ddi you know that they even have rigged elections in my country, Australia? fuckers! thats why we have racist conservative fucks in power.

BUT. The UN should be the worlds policeman. Genocide should be stopped.

Now - to the Falun Gong. The truth of the matter is, China doesnt really give a fuck about their beliefs. What they care about is their political role. In 1999 (or 2001, not sure), a couple thousand Falun Giong people came to advocate official state recognition as a religion. It had been about for about 7 years before that, and china didnt give a fuck. but a couple thousand people turning up in Tiananmen square unprecidented? ALARM! It reminded them a little to much of 1989. So heres what we'll do. Kill them!
so, there are horrid attrocities happening. Its horrid, torture, and genocide. Congratulations china.
So, its all done in the name of stability. Anti-session is evil! self-determination is evil bourgous liberalism! Capitalism! Grrrr. GRRRR! gimmi a break. Its motivated by a fear of a break-up of the inherited Chinese empire.

And my last point - China's military. uhhh. Actually folks, it is powerful. BUT. Its overstretched instituting the police state of china. in terms of foreign deployment, it is not very strong. sure, they have nukes. but didn't the cold war prove, that as soon as one nuke goes, then its MAD all over again. Nuclear missiles are just a tool for power politics.

Ah! by the way - China has been identified as the worlds largest current supplier of arms to the Burmese regime, central asia, and Sudan! Check it out! amnesty international. So China is also breeding its own little terrorists - and is as guilty as the US - i stand by it.

and way

final point.

Why are you condemning 廖雨笙，is he a class traitor or something? the guy is making an inocent joke about the idiocyncratisies of China! and you all take it too seriously, and blame him? the people to blame are the idiot racists why are saying something like 'i was in china for 5 years, and everyone hated me'
- I have been there for a few years - my girlfriend is chinese. I love the chinese people, and i love china - that doesnt mean that i am not going to intelligently think about the nation.

and incedently
i agree with all 10 points.

especially point 10.

Im sorry, but reading 'somebody' (who i have a suspicious feeling is actually Sun Zhong Shan) - i get angry at his self-matyring attitude.

LEAVE FUCKING LIU YUSHENG ALONE.

lets get to the points he wrote.

1. Internet Sucks. - yep. true. got a police in it and all. Just look up Hao Wu

2. Bad Mandarin spoken. - i think that a lot of it is pretty bad. Of course it is! 900 million are living in poverty.

3. Simplified Chinese is horrible. - well, it works, true enough, and i can understand why they did it - but traditional really is beautiful.

4 - 7 Yelling, pollution, honking, impatience - yep, all in china. pisses me off too sometimes.

8 - Bad food - well, i supose i disagree. Gong Bao Jiding is awesome!

9 - Bad arcitecture. very true. Its cheap, nasty, and quick fix. on an aesthetic nature, i dont care - but it will fall down soon, so its just plain stupid!

10 - Gender inequalitiy. Say it doesnt exist. I dare you. Nothing get me angrier.

Somebody, Sun Zhong Shan - ive changed my mind.

your both fools.

seriously, what is 'you hate your own country' crap. honestly? what are you Red Guards? gonna rat him out to big dead old Mao (may he burn in hell).
Critisism of a nation is a virtue.

grow up, and think for yourselves, the two of you.

洋鬼子

10 thinks I hate about China

1. The police state.

2. The government lying to its people.

3. Torture.

4. Genocide.

5. Organ Harvesting.

6. Sex Tourism.

7. Racism.

8. Stupid, Blind Nationalism.

9. Though Police - Inernet Censorsism

10. Territorial Disputes

China sucks and will go down soon.

Bill, your post looked quite stupid to me cuz you didn't even give any reasons supporting your statement. Even a middle school student like me knows better than you. BTW, i only went onto this stupid website cuz my history teacher said,”the chinese government is trying to filter certain websites because if you look up something like 'chinese communism is bogusz', then you're find all sorts of people criticizing the Communist Party." i was only bored and decided to look up "chinese communism sucks" and got to this stupid site and wasted enough of my time reading the overly subjective posts and writing my arguments for these issues and im not going to continue to do that. so farewell from me, all of you.

so your a middle student ey

that explains a lot.

i pray that you get over your blind nationalism and learn to think for yourself.

Canadian born Chinese are you? Double wammy! Freaking stink bomb! How about we drop you on Iran? I know a few around here and boy are they the worst. They're worse than Chinese. I'm so sorry.

who's canadian born chinese?

im irish-english australian, but im not sure who your refering to here.

can you please clarify Lisa Lampennelli.

i really don't want to be discriminating against the mainlanders (those from china) but i think most of the times, many of them deserve to be looked down upon. yes, i agree with most of the points on the list except for the culinary skills because i think it really is up to the individuals.

the fact that HKers dislike mainlanders is a fact (and they do get offended and embarrassed when foreigners classify them with mainlanders) and 100% of them dispise the communist party a lot.

also, when they criticise the ccp and call for democracy on HK forums, they are called 'slaves of the brits' and many other insults from many mainlanders. even though HKers calling for independence are still a minority but if HK continues to suffer under the indrect rule of the cntral government (beijing), then the situation will be different. reasons why HKers dislike mainanders:

1. bad behaviours like spitting, pushing in the line and other people, throwing rubbish everywhere etc. also, mainland parents actually teach their children to urinate everywhere even in public just like the case in disney. if you want to know more of their behaviour, go to HK's disney, many people who go there are mainland tourists.

2. poisoned foods export from the mainland to HK. now, every HKer has to wash their vegetables for a few hours before eating because everyone knows the mainalnders put lots of chemicals in them.

3. those newly immigrated mainalnders to HK just don't work but gets pension from the tax payers. also, with their rude behaviour, they really make the locals look bad to foreign tourists.

4. those mainland women dare to go out with any men of any age (whether they're already married or not) just for money and HK passport. and after that, when the man becomes worthless, then the women dump them.

5. discussing politics with them is a headache, they just brag how good china has become right now but talks about how 'evil' japan and democracy are due to what happened to china in the last century.

and still many more to go.......

obviously, not all mainlanders are like that but those who are not are just the 2% of the population.

Don't forget that they pick their noses alot! In public, where ever, without a care in the world. Disgusting!!

Actually china doesnt even need hk. since re-uniting with china, hk has reaped many benefits. The only reason they can look down on china mainlanders is becos they are richer and more educated from sucking up to the british.

If they like the british more, and they don't want to be part of china, FINE! then they should change their nationality and race altogether. they can beg britain or jap or us to grant them the use of their race since the word 'CHINESE' contains the letters 'chin' and they don't want to be associated with china. Some people just forget their roots and if they dont want to acknowledge it they can just give a new name ( race ) to themselves. Don't call yourselves taiwanese chinese or hk chinese then. call yourselves taiwanese japanese / caucasians or hk bananas.

somemore hk people dont have such perfect english anyway but they try to show off by putting one or 2 words between their speech. if they are so great, then they can forget about speaking cantonese altogether since its a chinese dialect from guangdong.

I mean no offense to hk people tt have nth against their own chinese brothers though.

Anyway, how can you say chinese people are racist when you are being a racist ( nationalist ) yourself? I think everyone knows that its a fact that caucasians have a history of being racist. Isn't that being arrogant? In fact, caucasians are the most racist beings on earth. you think you all white skin damn big ? Obviously, by saying all these towards the chinese, you dont consider their feelings at all. Don't you think you are all being too mean? I know that everyone is racist to a certain extent but before you hurl offensive abuses can you reflect on yourselves? I really hate suck-ups and hypocrites. Many people use the offensive words that the chinese people have posted against them saying that they are rude. But look at your own comments, I can easily pick out words like fuck, suck, animals, dogs to refer to the chinese. Then why cant people use them against U? if you don't like people speaking chinese then why dont you stop speaking english? I am chinese and I dont think I will show these comments to my friends.

jus a last comment, I am very sure that chinese people are not stupid. In fact, everyone one of us is aware of the problems in china. When we go to other countries, we know that in some areas our country sucks in comparison. We even scold our own govt and people because we dont shield our country blindly. We know about nationalism and democracy because we DO know social studies. We dont like food with poison either.But liao yu sheng really shouldnt have posted this on the internet. if you are really not happy you can abandon you own chinese name and take up a christian name. Im sure many people would f*** u upside down if they see u.

and laurie, dont think you are damn smart. I know you think tt way cos I have been reading your comments. you are such a hypocrite and i feel so disgusted tt a person like you exist.

btw laurie, u dont even have the right to speak for anyone. Not even for the HK and taiwan people. As far as I know, in the past chinese immigrated from HK, china, malaysia to australia in search of gold. In the end, you bloody racists killed all the chinese there. Isn't this worse than eating dogs which are just animals?

"you're all stupid.

and racist.

and generalists." Aren't you one as well? Please don't talk like you make absolute sense. Please don't act like you have made a positive impact on the universe. Please don't be a busybody as china and taiwan doesn't affect you at all.

It's not tt I enjoy picking on you. It's jus that your arguments and comments seem the dumbest around here. :)

in reply to zzz, i like to say one thing. since its return to china in 1997, HK has never been better off. many people in HK thinks the old days under the brits were better not because we like sucking up to them but it's because the truth is those days were much better than today. basically, HK is just another colony of china except that today's HK is not as glorious as before.

don't blame HKers for looking down on mainlanders. look at your people's behaviours in public before accusing us. every HKers know the mainland only talks about money and power and that's all. it's better for you to look at why many HKers (and even the taiwanese) look down on you guys before making any judgements.

also, putting one english word in a sentence doesn't mean we're showing off, it's just the way we say it, sometimes as a joke.

one more thing, those who call for independence does not mean they deny their chinese heritage. if you look at HK again, then you'll know that it's beijing that is running HK not the HK government. if that's the case, then why not let HKers to run their own affairs? this is the main reason why a few HKers and many taiwanese want independence.

zzz is definately a nose picker.

you're right zzz - i have been a hypocrite on this forum. and i have been writing like i am a 3 year old.

but i have been arguing this objectively - do you see me being patronising to chinese? have i ever claimed to speak for the chinese people?

If you read my posts, you'll see i have nothing but respect for chinese culture, history and people.

I am fully aware that i am a foreigner, and that i have no right to presume that i can speak for the chinese. To be anything else would be racist.

...

actually - i have been pretty stupid on this forum. But have a look at the content that has been written? this forum is disgusting! it is filled with discruntled westerners, HKers, Taiwanese, Chinese, Canadians, ect.

this forum has degraded from an innocent joke made - and it has degraded into a name-calling match.

I have generalized greatly on this forum - many times i have written a responce furious by some of the comments made. But are the comments here exactly intelligent? it seems like people are unable to argue objectively.

Honestly - i am interested in why you say that
'i am disgusted that people like you exist'. do you know me?

I have given my point of view. as far as i understand, i am perfectly entitled to. it sure is better than some other arguements put on here.

to be perfectly honest - i thing Liao Yusheng should shut this forum down - it has just becoem a name calling excersize.

By the way zzz - i have just read all your posts - i dont see any real merit to what your saying. but you're entitled to your opinion.

However, your comments in regard to Australian attitudes to Chinese are deeply misguided.

Sure, Chinese encountered discrimination upon arriving in the Gold Rush in Australia - but it was founded as a prison colony! the people who arrived were hardly enlightened. if you look at contemparary australia - you will see that it is anything but racist.

btw - if you want to look at generalizations - you have just generalized on the entire caucasian race - racist anyone? Im sure Olly would appreciate that. i don't pretend to deny my people's history. or whitewash it in a feelgood flow.

people are fundamentally flawed - every society has the potential to be supremely racist - it is no genetic disposition that lies in the evil caucasian heart.

and if you feel like labeling me as an evil evil man because you do not like my arguements, try to address my arguements - tell me why you think they are wrong.

please.

respectfully yours,

Laurie

yep, it sucks

Well, actually im not even from china, but I am a chinese. Yet, my grandparents are and tts why I do know quite a lot about china, having been there a few times too. Maybe tt's why im slightly biased. However, almost everyone who posted has been biased as each and everyone of us is arguing for a point. Some people are being more biased and some less.

China people do seem to have flaws. But of course not all of them. My grandparents and relatives are mostly really kind people. Yet, it is true that many people looks at things from the perspective of money. Previously, I admit that I felt a little agitated at these posts. Since I did, I think that anyone from China would feel this way even more strongly. Although I cannot change the way HK people and Taiwanese think about mainlanders ( as it is what people in china must do ) , I do think that as fellow chinese we should have more sympathy towards mainlanders. After all, if we were born and educated in China, we might behave that way too. You have to understand that no one wants to be uncivilized and definitely NO WOMAN would want to be a prostitute. Of course u have the freedom to look down upon mainlanders, I just feel that it is pretty sad if a chinese look down upon another chinese. But, descrimination is jus something natural and HK people have every reason to do so.

erm Laurie, i think it is impossible for me to adress all your arguments because its both too long and beyond my capibility. I'm merely 15 and besides those issues that you are discussing are both complicated and involves alot of factors. Well, im not a kid either. However, from now on you might consider what I say childish and ignorant. btw, I have been to australia two times, particularly perth and sydney. I just want to ask you something, about what percentage of you look down on chinese? I can't ask this to the australian tour guides, and I suppose most tour guides aren't racists anyway. btw, do you visit this page often?

and to g-funk, zzz is definitely not a nose-picker.

hey zzz

look - you may be 15, but you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, and i respect that. of course i don't look down on what you have to say.

I'm 20, at the moment, and am doing my honours thesis on the Nationalism in China. I decided to look up the most blatantly racist site on the internet, so i typed in 'china sucks', and a few swear words as well - and this was the first site that came up. at first i though that it was filled with caucasian racist wankers - people who were venting their frustration on china - i don't know why.

I have been to china 3 times, each time for study tours - where i studied at Beijing University, Fudan University, and another. so in total, i have spent a year in china over the years of my degree.

i take one look at this site and i am infuriated by the comments people have made. occasionally there are decent people, such as yourself, who are willing to put in an intelligent comment, and argue the issue to their ability - but a lot of the people on this forum - both western and chinese - are merely shouting and being racist.

At first i decided to argue with, but im ashamed to say, my last few posts were written in anger, and they were no better. But i have tried to argue my points backing them up with evidence from my studies.

I don't understand why people hate the chinese. from my experience, the chinese people are beautiful, have an amazing history, an amazing civilization and culture - the Chinese people deserve respect.

Which is why i am so angry at your government. I am in love with a chinese girl - hwo could i hate chinese? but the chinese government - an unelected government has tricked and lied to the people - manipulated so cleverly - it makes me as sick.

as for your question - Australia is a horribly racist place. I am ashamed of our history - I want you to understand that for the majority of people - we let everyone live in peace. australia has 8% of its population asian - predominantly in Sydney and Melbourne. But please understand, Australia is massive - and only has 6 big cities. I am from Melbourne - and out Lord Mayor is Chinese - Melbourne ren are not racist. However, Sydney has horrible problems with racism. it is segregated, and last year there were riots in regards to muslim discrimination. My country has problems - but whenever you meet an australian, i hope you give him/her a chance.

Laurie

g-funk - you are an idiot.

I think someone misunderstood that mainland chinese disliked the HK chinese-actually it is the other way around. The HK chinese hate the mainlanders. They did not want the British to leave Hong Kong. Why would they? HK is a great place that has thrived on the international scene for years. I feel bad for them because so many mainland chinese are crossing the borders and having their children; not paying bills. The spitting and the rudeness also. People that don't know any better might think that HK chinese are rude and impolite and basically barbaric. I hope China comes full circle and fixes it problems. I really do hope this. Until then-CHINA SUCKS!!!

PS-BTW-CHINA DID NOT INVENT THE A-BOMB AS SOMONE POSTED EALIER

in reply to zzz, if the mainlanders want sympathy from other chinese, they should learn how to accept criticisms first.

as I have said, most chinese can see what is going wrong with the government and environment etc. However, accepting critisims is something that most people cannot do. It's just like, you can critisize your own child, but when others critisize your child, I guess you wont be too happy right? :P

true - accepting critisism on a personal level is something that can cause deep offence, especially if it is a stranger, ect.

However, to apply the same mother-and-child philosophy to domestic and international politics is not valid.

A political system that preaches impunity to critisism, is not only stupid, but despotic and imperial.

To apply the same 父母-孩子关系对国际法and politics cannot work - it implies a patronising attitude to the people. It is disrespectful. Maybe this is where a lot of the Hong Kong-Mainland hostility comes from - with Jiang Zemin and the resunification of Hong Kong to the Mainland, the elected Hong Kong administrative president was replaced with a Party member. Maybe the party thinks this is a good idea - symbolic, even of the One China policy. But good governance means that the leaders listen to the people, and are accountable to the people. Its the foundation to democracy. The clash of a society that has prospered under 100 years of British rule, and was, in the latter years, a liberal democracy - with the autocratic imperial methods of the party may just increase tensions.

Accepting critisism, particulary constructive critisism is something that Governments must learn to do in the international world. China is now entering a multi-polar world - it cannot dictate the terms of its entrance.

okay.. i guess i was wrong. however, what you said about 'people in china have never heard of the tiananmen incident before', i can be sure tt tts not true at all. It is such a big incident tt no one in china doesn't know about it. This is something tt I can be sure of.

Yes, the protests died down and the communist government remains. You have to understand and I feel that it is hard for someone to gather the strength of the people and cause a revolt. That's why we need time for a change to happen. We cannot expect the people to go against the government with bare fists and knives while the goverment has guns and tanks. But in my opinion, there must be some good people in the government. Communism is receiving critisism from all over the world, but the government is not entirely evil, some part of it will realize the importance of having a democratic government. However, it jus takes time for a change. This is jus my personal opinion and i might be wrong. besides laurie must know much more about the situation than me.

Yes, you are both correct that in saying that governments must accept criticisms. Anyway I feel that not all comments in this forum has been fired at the government. Racist and biased remarks have also been made. Let's look at the title of this webpage ' ten reasons why china sucks '. It sounds too general and its targeted to everyone and everything in china. I feel that this site is simply useless and its purpose isn't even to generate constructive critisisms.

anyway, im taking a history course on propaganda right now and i hope i can gain something from the course.

of cuz I'm not interested in talking about any rouge nations like China.

Fuck you all Chinks!

God Bless America!

you're completely right zzz

as Superior American proves, much of this forum is merely a slate for racism - and it is completely disgusting.

Tiananmen square was a major event in China - and almost every chinese i have met in china knows about it. The difference is, the crackdown after the protests is still in progress - many leaders of the protesters are still in prison or abroad. Many chinese are angry about this event, and there are many movements - especially in Hong Kong and Taiwan (due to the freedoms of association and freedom of the media that they currently enjoy) to have Tiananmen Square officially acnwledged, rather than a protest 'hijacked by anti-revolutionaries'.

Many people in the west are expecting a big dramatic march on tiananmen square any minute now - but this will not happen any time soon.
ZZZ was completely right when she/he said that the communist party was not entirely evil. People like Zhao Enlai, Hu Yaobang, Zhao Ziyang - these were all genuine people who genuinly wanted change.

The CCP is a massive party - and it is factionalized - different factions argue about polity decisions.

But we must acknowledge, under the CCP rule (in the last 10 years), hundreds of millions of people now enjoy a better life.

Compare China to India - India is a democracy, and China is an autocracy - India enjoys far more individual freedoms, yet China is far more developed.

The arguement that China will evolve into a democracy, howeber, i believe is false. Although the standard of living for millions is improving (primarily on the east coast), the Party, like any autocratic system - does not want to loose power. The use of the media and propganda by the party is amazing - all media is owned by the party, and the party has supreme control. The party uses this to legitimize their unelected, unrepresentative regime to advocate that they are made legitimate by Chinese History. It is a very similar notion to Imperial Chinese Court stating that is Mandated by Heaven.

Tensions are rising in areas of China - HK, Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, and to a lesser Extent, Inner Mongolia are the obvious reasons.

But more importantly, it is the fact that there are 100 million migrant workers, traveling from the poor inner and western provinces in search of work in the east. AIDS, SARS, Bird Flu - all have had massive tolls due to the terrible and pathetic control the CCP has over the health system, and lastly - the growing gap between the rich and the poor - farmers lives are not getting better - there are 900 million farmers. So there is a growing resentment for the east coast. there were over 20,000 rural uprisings last year, mostly due to the corruption of police and bureaocrats in the poorer provinces - embezzling money and that.

Lastly, the Party has increasing hold of the education system - encouraging 爱国 and cracking down on critical thought ensures the regimes continuance. But the chinese are smart people - so the internet has become a forum for discussion.

The way i see it, China has 2 options

1 - Federalize
2 - return to Ming Dynasty borders

federalization is the best option.

And btw Superior American

the USA is the only Rogue State. And the USA is not a democracy. if it was - Al Gore would be president.

I never experienced the spitting (during BJ's) that Dirty Deuce is talking about but they don't clean down there enough there for sure. Not to be rude but a little Ivory Soap 99-44/100% from head-to-toe won't hurt ya.

This website is a disgrace. Too many biest opinions. There is no "BEST" or "WORST" in the world. Please understand this. There are ups and downs in the world, but you have to live with it. And fuck you Liao Yusheng, you probably fuck horses or something to make yourself dillusional.

I've asked Liso Yusheng to shut down this site a few times - and i agree with you LF in the case that this blog is a disgrace - and there are ups and downs with all aspects of societies around the world.

But in defence of Liao Yusheng, if you have a look at his posts - he is merely making a few innocent jokes at the idiosyncraticies of China - mobile phones, and differences in language. the guy is harmless.

The blatant racism and idiocy is coming from people visiting this site, the majority of whome are conservitive, narrow minded, racist and intolerant.

Hey guys i just thought i'd offer my opinion having browsed this forum... i'm an aussie from sydney, and as you probably know, the RICH CHINESE MAINLANDERS are coming here by the boatload... its really disgusting that they sell their country out like that while 900 million people live in squalor and poverty. I am anglo-saxon and although you may try and criticize my opinion as biased and racist, I am trying to be as just and fair as I can. It is my experience that the people giving the Chinese a bad name are the ones in the developed countries already, the rich ones who are greedy, rude and insensitive, self-absorbed and stubborn. For instance having been on a holiday recently to thailand, i was returning home and at the airport, i saw a group of loud chinese tourists who did not observe the lines and just pushed to the front like they were Gods gift to the world. People may try to blame this lack of manners, values and morals on atheism as opposed to the observant religious man (by that i mean CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, HINDU, or BUDDHIST not exclusively though). I was appaulled and instantly felt hostile towards this group of people. Experiences like this happen frequently in Sydney, a hotspot for immigration. Aside from hot-headed lebanese young men, the Chinese seem to be the largest cultural problem- they are not willing to become Australian. For instance chinese ads on television and refusing service to white/non-chinese people. Is this China? GET with the location and times!

In summary my two main problems with the CHinese are firstly their lack of compassion, not only for people on the street, but also their own poverty stricken people, and also their idealogy of trying to start a 'colony within our country' some of them when obtaining citizenship cannot speak a word of english, memorizing the sounds of the words of the oath in chinese- a REALLY SCUMMY MOVE. Chinese middle and upper class- pick up your act + government- i feel disgusted that we are SE ASIAN neighbours at times like this. I guess we will see all when the Olympics go to Beijing ay... I do not mean to offend Chinese people, rather offering an opinion and my own experiences. I repeat, i do not wish to offend people goodnight and God Bless

I am Russian, and I think that China is fine as a country. I mean as far as communism, we used to be communist, scared the pants off you US motherfuckers, so what, we live just fine now! Besides, China is one of our biggest natural gas buyers. Yeah, that's right Japan has nothing to do with this, WE control the biggest supply of Nat. gas on this planet, and we decide who to sell it too, so the Japs should shut the hell up, and stay the fuck out of our waters, you know, the Kurilles. We already shot one of their
"fishermen" there. Well they shouldn't have been stealing our fish, the biaches! Anyway, I think China and Russia should work together, America will be our lil' bitch, and we will get back the rightful motherland territories: Krimea, Eastern Ukraine etc. And in retirn we help you reget Taiwan etc. Yeah, I think that will happen, and guess what dumb Yanks: the CCCP will be BACK!!! Wha-ha-ha-ha! Hehe.

hmmmm.

all of a sudden, australia has become another melting pot instead of a multicultural nation. Since when did my country change from being a nation of immigrants where there is enough room for everyone to do their thing, to being a 'conform or die motherfucker!' country like the US of A.

And by the by.... doesnt Ukraine want to be its own state? One thing to say to you Seriy - Chechnya. Get Ukraine back, and youll just have another angry resentful province that wants out.

and by the by... didnt the USSR collapse cos the government war crap? dont kid yourselves.

History has taught us one thing. All emires fall.

Roman, Russian, Austria-Hungarian, Persian, Ming, Tang, Mongol, Ottoman, British, Comunist empires.

The USA will fall to, and so will China. The cycle will continue

and Ed - why the hell did you use religious justifications?

Religion has NO PLACE IN POLITICS, LAW AND STATE. get that through your self-rightous head. if your religious fine. I dont care. im agnoastic. bit dont think it makes you better than other people. they are still people you pious racist fuck.

you make me disgusted to call myself australian Ed. it should be fuckers like you in Nauru and the Woomera - smug, self-satisfied clueless wankers who have no concept of the world, and the refugees who deserve a second chance

Actually, Laurie, only 20-ish % of the Ukrainian population (the so-called "westeners" in the old Polish territories which now make up the western parts of the country) are agains Russia and don't like Russian people. About 80% of Ukrainians speak only Russian, listen to Russian music, watch Russian television, read Russian newspapers and books, and have had more then enough of Yushenko's against-his-own-people-splitting-his-own-country-apart-regime.
These fine people in Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Krimea, Donetsk etc. wouldn't MIND if their regions were a part of Russia, they would gladly trade Yushenko's pro-American, pro-Western stupidity for Putin's firm, Dictator-like, but right ways.
So, while I agree with you on a lot of things, including the sad fact that all Empires expire sooner or later, and that the Chechen war started by the alcoholic Eltsin, I can't agree with you on this one.
I also believe that China is a fine nation today as it is, and that US and the so-called "democratical" and "civilized" West should stop trying to be a bully in the World and telling everyone what to do, because it's getting seriously annoying! And another thing: the American NHL are all criminals, thieves and deserve to be in jail for corrupting and stealing Malkin and other valuable, talented players from us. Fuckin American Redneck Hillbilly Pigs! No wander you have so many enemies in the World today: Iran, the Middle East, Kuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, Belorussia, Al-Kaeda, soon Russia and probably China. You keep making enemies, stupid redneck-good-for-nothing-farmers, some day we will wipe you off the map and off the face of the Earth!

Yea man China sucks ass, communism sucks ass and chinese people are rude as hell and annoying and stupid! And they look stupid! And they look like fish! And pie faces! Dirty chink fucks!

Hey to the dirty chink who just said democracy fails, you're so stupid communism clearly fails in EVERY country that it is placed in, and the people suffer and you could never defeat us because your gonna go bankrupt in 50 years or less just like the USSR did, communism never works because some greedy bastard always gets into power and only wants power for himself, never allowing the people to enjoy benefits of a classless system, so democracy is the only way, as you get to vote your leaders, freedom of speach, cleanliness minimum poverty etc. Democracy is freedom! Stupid chinese fucks the westerners saved the world from fucking Nazis, and saved YOUR ass from the fucking Japanese nips! And what do you do?! You go and make a fucking communist state outa ur country you bastards you guys suck and will burn in hell and I hope one day you get invaded, but you'll probably go bankrupt and turn into a hellhole of (worse of one than yuo already are I mean) poverty rapism etc, just like what happened to Russia! Corrupt government is a communist government and shut the fuck up! Also, stop speaking my fucking language you bastard! Burn in hell! Fucking squinty-eyed fish face!

Yea you damn bastards always cling onto a false hope because of stupid things your family teaches you but you dont have an oppinion of your own you dirty fuck! And don't count the United States as representitive for all of the West, they really aren't you know. There are many enemy-less countries like Canada and France that are democracies. You are sooo stupid and clearly are spewing byist garbage your communist bastard family teaches you. Open your squinty eyes and see that Democracy is the only way! I bet your in USA or Canada or England right now enjoying the benefits of the country and at the same time critisizing it! So stupid! Such a hipocrit! Believing in False hope and supporting bullshit! Fuck off you bastard communist and STOP speaking my language!

Long live democracy and freedom! Human beings need to be treated with respect not treated with oppression and violence! May all the communist states be burnt to the ground and the whole world liberated with the benefits of Democracy!

And the reason communist states get elected in the first place is because ALL people are generally stupid, and some jackass gets up and tells them they can have a better life and all that bullshit so the majority goes YEA YEA LETS LISTEN TO THAT GUY YEAAAA SUPPORT HIS PARTY and they vote him in then they realize wtf they did and are royally screwed over for like 100 years, while the smart ones realize the mistake that is communism and evacuate or stick by their democratic views! GAH I hate communists and its so obvious the people in communist countries want to escape! Why do you think they all climb over walls and risk being tortured and executed trying to reach a democratic country? Because communism is a failure, and keeps the rich rich, and the poor even poorer than they ever were. Fuck off you bastards and stop speaking my language!

Read 1984, and tour Russia and China and Cuba if you're still not convinced! But i'm sure any sensible person would be convinced now after reading the facts that I have shown!

Yea and about the ukrainian shit, its because they were forced to many times by corrupt people with force weapons and brutality, not because they chose those things. You stupid fuck!

West as a bully? what the FUCK are you smoking you bastard?! We always treat other nations with respect and respect their views even if we dotn agree with them adn have better curtousy. The USA is a bit of a bully but you cant count that for all of democracy. China is clearly NOT a "fine country" you blind chimp because why do you think there is such a huge chinese population in other parts of the world? cus they're running away from it jackass! Communism is a failure thats so obvious to even the most retarded demented chimp with cerebral pulcy! Fuck you! and stop speaking English you dirty fuck!

Well, I see I got a really pissed off redneck here. Whatever, what are you morons going to do, invade another country like Iraq? And I'll speak whatever language I want, dirty American hillbilly motherfucker. You know nothing about Ukraine, I lived in Ukraine, I know they want their future with Russia. Nothing I hate more then fatass, dumbass Americans. If I ever meet one I allways beat the shit out of them! I hope you liked World Trade Center, I think if you keep fucking around with Arabs, you are going to have more of those coming. And English isn't "your" language, American motherfucker, over a billion people on Earth speak the language. You need to shut the fuck up and go back to your farm in Luiziana or however you spell that shitty name. Or perhaps you are from Canada, yeah, that'd explain it, those dumbasses hated us, "commies" even more then Yanks did. Whatever again, all Canadians can really do is play hockey, and a very crappy one at that, and give US a good blowjob. So fuck you all, thievs, fucking pigs.

Ahahah a redneck? I'm not racist against anyone im just not STUPID and I realize what works and what doesnt, and its VERY clear to me that communism is evil. Seriously I hope you go fuck yourself, YOU're the pig you dirty camel jockey go to hell!

And I dont really like America that much but I know I'd much rather live there than a communist country. You are pathetic, ignorant, and byist. Burn in hell u commy.

Iraq invasion WAS wrong but Iraq was a fascist dictatorship not communism, and if you recall only England and America invaded Iraq. Canada are great contributors to world peace and in the past have been great contributors to all the great wars and have succesfully halted US invasions in the 1800s defending the queens territory. What are we goign to do next? Maybe stop world hunger. Liberate China. Do something usefuell. IS that what u can say for your beloved communism?! Go shove it up your ass u dirty pric

Whatever, go get a brain, stupid little kid. And I don't ride camels, moron, never did, besides that vacation in Egypt.

So shut the fuck up, and go back to school, pathetic little boy. This conversation is for udults only!

Fuck you all stupid Chinese!!!

Who the fuck cares you all 1.3 billion bastards go to Hell tomorrow?

shout from your sinking ship all you want American and Ryan (and americans in general).

It doesn't change the fact that you are sinking.

Why should the world have to suffer your frantic flailings to keep your empire afloat?

I have got to agree with Laurie on that one. Guess what geniouses: half the Earth REALLY HATES Westeners in general, but AMERICA (US) in particular. I know 15! people who'd beat up the first American they meet! No one hates Chinese people as much! Okay, so I am a bit biased on the subject, because my grandfather was in the battle with Japan for liberation of China in WW2, and us (stupid Soviet Commies) beat Japan, Germany and did a huge favour to the entire world, which you American bastards never appreciated! All you did was drop two nukes on the Japanese, killing tens of thousands of innocent people! Cowards! You dserve to go to HELL! I hope and pray George Bush is killed one day and Osama Bin Laden destroys America, then Russia and China will be the two super-powers of the world! Amen!

ok ok ok

i gotta step in here.

ok - first of all, ryan, your a hypocrite - your making racial slurs about chinese the whole way through, then you say 'im not racist, but...'.

you say that you are against the Iraq war, but do you have any idea WHY it is wrong? is it because the death toll of american troops is too high? 1000 - 2000 - 3000 or something like that? tell you what though, the only thing history will remember from this encounter is that US forces, attempting to establish another foothold in the middle east (the other one being Israel, and the most fundamental nation in the world - Saudi Arabia, who FUND terrorist networks (although America is the second must fandamentalist country in the world)), ... ok.. it is that america have killed 300,000 people in Iraq. and remember the 2,000,000 people in Vietnam, and the 1,000,000 in Korea? thats 3,300,000 people in 50 years.

did you know that Japan surrendered to the Americans BEFORE the atomic bomb was dropped?

the bomb was dropped to scare the russians. thats it. millions of people we're killed needlessly.

i don't care about your objections or your fucking claims to 'defend democracy', 'liberate nations', blah blah blah.

all i care about is the death you cause in the name of national interest.

here's an idea - if you want to spread democracy - why doesn't america pay the fine that the UN gave it.

America is the only nation convicted of terrorism - after killing Che Guevera, they installed General Pinochet in Cuba, who killed and tortured hundreds of thousands.

who don't you get the eleceted president back in power?

why don't you eleicit some power over your corporations who are raping and pillaging poorer nations, so you can buy cheap products.

you son of a bitch.

and what the fuck is with Mormons?!

Chineses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Before insulting Japaneses, look at your ugly crime you people are committing.

China has stolen Manchuria and has stolen Tibet.
China is also planning to steal some territories from South East Asia.

You people don't deserve to blame Japaneses since you people are also thieves.

Every country has its own developing stages, as long as it is improving, that is fine. Please judge someone by his heart, do not judge by race, education, etc. If you study the history enough, China was never an invasive country like Janpan. I think Mainland Chinese would like to see Taiwan reunion to Mainland, like a family member. It is a historial mindset of most Mainland Chinese, because China has suffered a lot during and after the Qing Dynasty. Events like invasion wars by foreign countries, especially by Japan, internal wars, and cultural revolution. Also, communisum is not a bad thing as long as it can be adjusted to fit the general public.

I think if China is economically more advanced than Taiwan like Japan, most Taiwanese will not object of reunion. They are afraid of their life will be degraded, not they have forgotten they are Chinese, or what the Japanese had done to their parents' families.

i disagree. and stop using a parent-child relationship. china is not a mother. it is a bunch of land with people on it.
if you study history enough - you will see that China HAS invaded foreign countries.

vietnam, cambodia, burma, laos, the spratleys, korea, tibet, east turkistan, mongolia.

lots and lots of countries.

i think the taiwanese prefer to have their own democratically elected government. Perhaps if the CCP was democratic, and china federalized, then Taiwan would happily rejoin. at the moment, china is to repressed, and the taiwanese enjoy there freedom.

Freedom is good, democracy on the other hand... I mean look what Yeltsin's drunken speaches about democracy and downfall of communism in CCCP did to Russia: when SU broke up, in the 90's, we had an economical crisis, inflation like you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy, war in Chechnya, corruption and organised crime everywhere, 90% of the people living in powerty etc. I REALLY don't think Chinese people would want their country going through something like this... But it's just my opinion...

that's what you stupid Russia deserved!

I'm glad that your piece of shitty land were dismembered.

Russian economy sucks even today coz you stupid people and assholes don't know what the fuck of capitalism is. You stupid Russian people basically can't survive without oil and gas from Siberia. Look at yourself man, how stupid YOU ARE!!!!

Look at those bunch of inferior chinamen, they start taking over Siberia. Watch out!

American

I completely agree with you Seriy - introduced democracy is something that has the potential to cause harm, as much as it does good.
The term 'democracy' is one of those terms that people throw around a lot, yet very few have a strong idea of the way it functions. Oh, im sure they know what it is, but the fact of the matter is, US style democracy is not for everyone. In the Russian instance, (and believe me, I do not have any idea how the internal politics of Russia works - i would be interested of you could enlighten me - for instance, does Russia have a federalist system? each province/state is self-governed.) democracy and the economy were intrinsically linked as they always are. When Boris Yeltsin gained power, and warbled on about democracy, he may have gone about it the wrong way. Rather than jump directly from soviet-style command economy, gradual reforms should have been introduced, while reforms to gevernance and media continued. Gradually, with growing economic prosperity and a competent governance system, a stable and democratic russia could have emerged. Im not saying democracy is an amazing thing - its still a sucky system - but face it, most sorts of governance suck from one degree to another - democracy is just the one that sucks the least.
It looked for a while that this may have been the path China was going to take, but its terrible policies towards Xinjiang and Tibet, as well as plain shit education and health systems have ensured that the CCP will remain firmly in charge, while always shoving the idea down the throat of the chinese that they cannot survive without the CCP.

And american, grow up man. learn a little introspection, and think about how fucked up america is. Seriously, New Orleans man - it started to drown, and you sent national guards to protect the washed out property of businesses. Thats an ugly side of capitalism that values businesses more than human life.

Internal politics of RF (Russian Federation) aren't really all that different from other countries: we have 4 big Parties (Communist Party Of Russia, Liberal Democratic Party, nationalistic party Rodina, and pro-Putin United Russia Party), in the Duma (the Parliament), the Federation Kouncil (representatives from all regions), one federal Government in Moscow, in the Kremlin, and lots and lots and lots of smaller governors, and mayors, and prefects, and ministries, and departaments, etc. One thing though: the most powerful man in Moscow is not VVP, but the Mayor of Moscow, Yuri Lujhkov, he is the wealthiest man there too: him and his real estate selling vife controll at least 6 to 10 bln $ American worth of money and real estate (in comparison: Putin's wealth estimated around $7 bln, governor of Chukotka Abramovich's - $20 bln!), so here if your a politician, YOUR RICH! Hehe!

What if China let Manchuria and Tibet independent, do you think their economics and people will live better? China has invested a lot of money to Tibet to promote their living even though there are many other places in China are even poorer.

Manchuria, Tibet, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang are basically not a part of China. History verified it!

Siberia, Chechnya, Ossetia, Sakhalin islands are basically not a part of Russia. History verified it!

You 2 stupid rogue nations robbed everything every where blind! That is why you 2 stupid rogue nations couldn't take part the family of western world even right now.

And Laurie, you stupid ChinaChick! keep you fucking mouth shut! and by the way, why did you pick up an English name for you piggy chinky head, huh? I guess probably you're ready to be raped by Sammy, aren't you?

American

Before Chineses talk all kinds of childish nonesense, FREE TIBET FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I came from HK, so I know Hong Kong, Macau,and Taiwan were part of China before for sure. 95% of them are Chinese. As in America, mostly white now, but it was belonged to Indians and Mexicans before. So Puerto Rico, Hawaii, or Taiwan GreenIsland can ask for independant anytime they want too?
Some people use English name mostly to let foreigner to remember their names easier.

I would like to know if Tibet is independent, and China closes the border, what happen to the life in Tibet.

american, just so you know you piece of shit, im english-irish australian guy. and you are an idiot with a little too much time - people like gary, seriy (i have no idea who sammy is) and me are on this forum to discuss issues that interest us for the purposes of gaining another side of the story.

you are a pig-headed white supremist, who has never, will never and has no possibility of ever EVER getting laid. From your idiodic, badly informed arguements (probobly wikipedia) i assertain that you are either a 13 year old angry child who likes to shoot dogs, or a 40 year old obese man with a stack of 'batman' comics next to you. Whatever. I really don't care. Just know that the world does not care about you. you don't count in any way, and you are never going to get anywhere, purely becuase you are a bigoted fool. Enjoy your life working as a counter clerk, quoting star trek and jay and silent bob flicks. History verified it.

In responce to your arguement though (if it can be called that) - although Chechnya may not wish to be part of Russia (or at least an angry minority of extreemists), but Siberia, Ossetia, and the Sakhalin islands (this one i'm not so sure of - or even where they are) have long since become thoroughly russified. The people living there are russian, slavic, and russian orthadox. they have no desire to leave. i imagine, all they really want is to be left alone in peace.

In China, it is different - Manchuria, along with siberia, has long since been thoroughly sinicised - and i think if there is a sessesion movement, it is a tiny minority. For the moment, Manchurians regard themselves as chinese, and a large part of chinese history. wasn't the qing dynasty a manchurian dynasty? Manchuria also is benifiting greatly from chinese development. it may be developing slowly, yet more and more investment is flooding that way, especially through the liaodong peninsula.
So Manchurian independence is out.

Moving on now - there is a trend in China to regard the mainland as the 'mother' - and that if taiwan tries to leave the 'mother' it is leaving the loving family, and should be punished. Stupid phrasology, but maybe you could use it to say that all children must grow and find there own path.

Tibet, or Tiebt as Honest Man calls it is an interesting issue.
For us in the west, it is easy to think of Tibet as the Holy Land - a spiritual land of peace and harmony and happiness, and ignore the fact that it is drastically underdeveloped. Base diseases flourish through the region, and plumbing is unheard of. Lhasa is rife with prostitution and crime, and afghan opium flows through its borders. There are many tibetan crack-heads.
China uses the arguement that it is developing a region that it has traditionally regarded as part of its sphere of influence. It is improving their economy and their living standards. This is not true however. China is pouring capital into tibet to mine the coal, acces mineral reserves, and improve tourism, but it is not aiding the tibetan people. This is the main issue - discrimination against tibetans in tibet is rife, and most tibetans are unemployed and will not see the benifits of the 'modernised' tibet. With the assasination of the panchent lama, i can only imagine that following the death of the Dalai Lama, the CCP will install their own leader who is pro china, pro han-immigration. This will spell the death of tibetan culture, which will be reduced to a tourist attraction. That is why tibet wants autonomy, and wishes to keep china out. The development only helps Han Chinese, and the Tibetan way of life is under threat from immigration of Han colonists.

It is much the same story in Xinjiang, except the Uigyur people are suffering severe antagonism - as they are muslim, they muct be 'terrorists', and as part of George Bush's war on terror, the CCP is disenfranchising Uighurs of opportunities.

Hong Kong - I'm not going there. Should be self-governed in my mind, but there are arguements both ways.

Macao - under Portuguese rule, there were numerous protests and movements for unification with china - they want to be part of china.

As for America - it is hardly a unified nation in itself. Its the united STATES of america - there was a war fought over whether it should be united or not. in the south, there are still age-old ideas of cession, and hawaii has not been reduced to nothing but a resort for fat americans.

I believe that Taiwan already is independent. It is not sovereign.
that's the issue there.

woah - didn't mean to assert that siberia was sinicised. meant siberia was russified.

Liao Yusheng and most of the readers(fake) here are from well-developed Taiwan. They have never been suffered from the poverty conditions like those during the closed-door policy China before.
That is why they dislike China so much. They were influenced by the way they bought up in Taiwan also. Defeated Nationalist against Communist Mainland China(Why it is called Mainland China?) :)

As a student at SFU that has a large Chinese Population I would have to agree about the rudeness. Thankfully I'm stiff upper lipped and I am confortable cutting them down a bit should their rudeness incroach.

I would also like to see if China has all these 'benefits' once it has flexed it's economic muscles to a level resembling any first world country. Most economically developed countries, which China is not, are shaped by the economy - communist or not. They have lots of fancy stuff now, but once the currency makes things a little harder - all the crap called "better" than Canada will likely be the first to go.

Also, should any chinaman wish to visit Europe they will find that they have all that stuff, it's just taken for granted now so it's not considered good anymore.

Examples....

1, Cell phones work anywhere in the UK, including the Tube. Nothing new. They also have music and shit, not just the time!!!

2, Tried it and didn't work, it's still too long no matter how long you've got.

3, Yep, get a switch card, it's a regular bank account card (completely free for unlimited trans etc etc), works with taxi's, tube etc etc. It's the basic bank account and yet you use it for everything - better than cash.

4, Well you got me! I'll assume fresh air is available too? I guess because Europe has Fashion and Style, something the world, including China can thank Europe for - most just wouldn't do it. It's easier to just get your own damn gym.

5, Actually a good idea. Assumming the waiter doesn't twock it.

6, Oh Please, I can't even remember the last time me, or anyone, needed to go into a fricking bank - I introduce......the internet. I opened my last account online with a company called egg.com and they just don't have a branch!!!!

7, Err, Europe and I guess the west have trained waiters (in reasonable places) so there is always water on the table, bread, salt etc etc etc

8, You don't drive into London coz it'll cost ya - so not really any need to park anything, except your ass.

9, Almost, try exec club at some venue's in Europe (I actually onle know of two but) and you will get a VR of your view from the seat!!!

10, Shit, they do this in a place called "Great Clothes" in Leeds, UK - it's not expensive, wholesale really. Even better, give them your card and they'll already know your size.

OK - I will admit that I have never been to taiwan, but Im going to have a potshot at this one Gary.

Taiwan too has been through its poorer periods. It was japanese for a while; under the Japanese, the education system flourished, and Taiwan prospered with trade. The, as the mainland was gripped in fratricidal war, Chiang Kai-shek fled to Taiwan; and instituted a repressive and fascist regime in Taiwan. The Taiwanese did not like this, and many were killed. But eventually, things evened out. Chiang died, and eventually Taiwan emerged as a thricing democracy. In the late 1980s - 1990s, it underwent a period of rapid industrialization, and the economy of Taiwan boomed. Later on, with the opening of the People's Republic's economy, investment to the mainland soured. But the Taiwanese felt a distance between them and the mainland chinese. They had been one initially, but the trials of the 20th century, along with the prolonged isolation meant that a gap had emerged.

I don't think Taiwanese distain Mainland China because much of the population lives in poverty - i think Taiwanese just want to go about their lives.
I think Taiwanese dislike the mainland's policy to Taiwan. They fear that any time, the CCP could go into Taiwan and abolish their democratically elected government, and put in their own, much like in Hong Kong. Recall the missile tests that China had in 1998 (not sure the date) - trying to scare the Taiwanese - show them who is boss. The Taiwanese just want to go about there business, but the CCP constantly tells mainland chinese that the Taiwanese are traitors, and deserve to be invaded/attacked. I think that Taiwan deserves respect, and it gets none from the mainland.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this Gary.

In my opinion, the only reason that Mainland China is called that, is because China IS landlocked. For much of the 20th century, the world regarded Hong Kong and Taiwan seperate nations. it is not recognised now, but the tradition has stuck of refering to them as Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Mainland China. Perhaps it aludes to the very different societies and cultures that Taiwan and Hong Kong have to Mainland China.

As far as Chaechnya, that traitor Basaev doesn't speak for all the people there, oh and he is dead now thank God! Kadirov, the Chechen PM did allow himself little critisism toward the Kremlin, but generally him and his people have already accpeted Russian rule over them and have no problem with that! As a matter of fact these "freedom fighters" of Chechnya are considered criminals and murderers IN CHECHNYA!
Now as far as Tibet, I don't see what is so bad about the situation there now: I mean if you give them independence, they will all die of hunger, their economy is worth and weaker then that of Rwanda and North Korea! And Taiwan is just playing it's own game in a popularity contest, trying to win support from US, so they are not really more "good guys" then China. I think that big countries SHOULD take care of their smaller, weaker neighbours, otherwise this world will fall apart!

Where the fuck is Australia? I dunno, probably it is one of the states of America overseas like the UK, is that right?

Yes, I do like Batman. So? he is still here and live well. How about you stupid Mr. Corcodile?

There are hundred tons of Russian and Australian guys and chicks living in the states as far as I know in the area of NYC. They don't want to leave now even without jobs! They DO like America, and so do the inferior breed of Chinamen.

For Chinamen, we nabbed them in dirty chinatowns, sent them back to stupid China; but they came back right away. And we sent them back again and they came back again and again!

one more time I wanna show u the fact, America is the only center of the world. Keep your fucking head down!

American

To user "American": FUCK YOU! America is everything that's wrong on today's Earth! You faggots don't have the brains to make your own nuclear weapons, or fly into space, you stole and used German and Austrian and Jewish scientists after WW2 to do that! You Americans are fat and stupid, you don't deserve to breathe the same air as Russians, everyone who goes to America takes advantage of your wellfare system and your universities, gets rich at your expence and then leaves, laughing at your stupidity! American idiots, fatasses!

don't bother seriy - the guys a batman lovin loser. probobly obese, and seems to do nothing but vent his pent up sexual frustration on strangers on the net.

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